William Shatner @ 90

[Methuselah Flint]

I think they also felt a 'need' to kill him off, for closure etc, given the TOS era had come to an end. But it really wasn't necessary. Whilst Shatner at that point may not have wanted to continue, he was a healthy, strong actor, despite perhaps being past his handsome years. Had he not been killed, the door could have much more easily been left open, had he changed his mind.

 

[Noname Given]

Whilst I am indifferent on Kirk being killed off in Generations (although perhaps not the way it was handled), it's a shame, retrospectively, that it happened, given Shatner's vitality and longevity in his advanced years.

True, the TOS film years had come to an end, and equally true, even now, there could be an explanation for Shatner's Kirk appearing now, given the limitless abilities of Sci fi.

However, Shatner himself said he would only appear purposefully, with a good script, and not a cameo. Killing him off, really negates any chance of this, or a Picard-esque show or mini series etc.

So whilst I think it would be great to see Shatner don the uniform again - despite being killed off - the act of killing him off drew limitations for him to return. And given his age now, I doubt Shatner will ever return to the role.

Despite all this, he is incredible for his age!

Given that there was a copy of Guinan in the Nexus; getting Kirk out of the Nexus into a story doesn't seem insurmountable. The issue is finding a story that William Shatner would like and also meeting his salary demand, whatever it is.

 

[dupersuper]

There are always the novels...

 

[Khan 2.0]

I think they also felt a 'need' to kill him off, for closure etc, given the TOS era had come to an end. But it really wasn't necessary. Whilst Shatner at that point may not have wanted to continue, he was a healthy, strong actor, despite perhaps being past his handsome years. Had he not been killed, the door could have much more easily been left open, had he changed his mind.

shatner wanted to go on as evidenced with trying to get Berman to do The Return' as the sequel to Generations (then turning it into a novel when he refused). and as well as kirk being killed off as TOS had ended/berman wanting to move Trek on (shatner said in one of his books the option was appear in VII to die or theyd just kill him off screen anyway), another reason perhaps was older age back then was maybe thought of in a more negative way (e.g. 60s was considered more old age but now its almost middle age?).. like an action man like Kirk in his sixities was maybe abit laughable for movie audiences, not so much now where HFord plays Solo, Deckard, and Indy into his 70s and beyond without too much fuss (also Arnie, Stallone etc still playing their iconic action roles into their 70s, and Pacino, DeNiro and Clint - whos 91 in his latest lead role!..yet back in the 90s Unforgiven, In The Line of Fire, Bloodwork etc had already explored 'old man' Clint).

also while there were crossovers it was kind of mild not the intricate deep crossovers of todays MCU etc whereby Kirk couldve lived (or been resurrected) and been introduced to the TNG era (to appear in further films alonside TNG crew - becoming an Admiral again, taking command of the Enterprise for a while in the battle to defeat the borg (over more than just one film) , hooking up with Unification Spock and Relics Scotty, attending Admiral McCoys funeral etc (providing it was enough for shatner to be interested)

 

[Search4]

Well Picard is about to do a time travel “what if” season. Perhaps they can reverse this after all? Would be wonderful IMHO.

 

[Danlav05]

also while there were crossovers it was kind of mild not the intricate deep crossovers of todays MCU etc whereby Kirk couldve lived (or been resurrected) and been introduced to the TNG era (to appear in further films alonside TNG crew - becoming an Admiral again, taking command of the Enterprise for a while in the battle to defeat the borg (over more than just one film) , hooking up with Unification Spock and Relics Scotty, attending Admiral McCoys funeral etc (providing it was enough for shatner to be interested)

Keeping Kirk alive for a bit in the TNG era would have been epic, the possibilities

 

[Mudd]

Having these people alive and active a century later was dumb.

 

[Commander Troi]

If we ever have conventions again and Shatner is there, I highly recommend seeing him. He is an amazing and *extremely* funny raconteur!

 

[Elder Knight]

If we ever have conventions again and Shatner is there, I highly recommend seeing him. He is an amazing and *extremely* funny raconteur!

I never got to hear him in person, but I wouldn't expect any less of him!

 

[tomalak301]

I watched his talk at the Convention last week and I'm still amazed how much energy he has. I think he could still be Denny Crane for the next 5 years and not lose a step. I know he exaggerates his stories, but he tells them well and it's hilarious.

 

[dupersuper]

Keeping Kirk alive for a bit in the TNG era would have been epic, the possibilities

There are novels...

Having these people alive and active a century later was dumb.

Why? Vulcans live longer than humans, humans on average live longer than they do currently, plus a transporter stasis and the odd temporal anomaly. I mean, Bateson and his whole crew are out there in the 24th century.

 

[Phoenix219]

Keeping Kirk alive for a bit in the TNG era would have been epic, the possibilities

Yup. The movies after Generations should have just been a united franchise, with any characters able to be used; Kirk, Spock and Scotty all had ways of making it to the 24th century intact. The fact that we never saw him on the bridge of the "D" is a travesty.

Honestly, a much more compelling story would have been Kirk popping out of the Nexus as Picard enters (and takes his place)..... Kirk and the "D" crew have to unravel what is going on and rescue Picard from a place he doesn't want to leave. It would have been an amazing movie.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Yup. The movies after Generations should have just been a united franchise, with any characters able to be used; Kirk, Spock and Scotty all had ways of making it to the 24th century intact. The fact that we never saw him on the bridge of the "D" is a travesty.

Honestly, a much more compelling story would have been Kirk popping out of the Nexus as Picard enters (and takes his place)..... Kirk and the "D" crew have to unravel what is going on and rescue Picard from a place he doesn't want to leave. It would have been an amazing movie.

Generations is abit like STID in that the set up was good and theres all these fascinating tantalizing alternate routes the plot couldve taken with Kirk (and Khan).. yet the ones they went with seem to have disappointed just about everyone

 

[Phoenix219]

Generations is abit like STID in that the set up was good and theres all these fascinating tantalizing alternate routes the plot couldve taken with Kirk (and Khan).. yet the ones they went with seem to have disappointed just about everyone

My favorite spin on STID is finding out that Harrison was just one of Khan's lackeys, and end with Montalban's face in a sleeper pod. And ditching the magic blood, and the whole Wrath of Khan parody, and Kirk dying.... basically the whole final act.

Kirk taking command of the Enterprise one last time to save the day is something I can't believe they missed. Sitting down in the D's captain's chair, with a joke about why wasn't his ever this comfortable. Getting into it with Riker, but telling him at some point, I used to be a lot like you. Talking to Data about McCoy (referencing Farpoint.) Something philosophical with Guinan, where she helps lead them back to Picard. Geordi at some point saying, Scotty was right about you, Mr. Kirk. Captain. Sir. Okay, maybe that was is a little bit much. But I definitely enjoy the alternate universe version that exists in my mind more than the actual movie.

 

[Danlav05]

Yup. The movies after Generations should have just been a united franchise, with any characters able to be used; Kirk, Spock and Scotty all had ways of making it to the 24th century intact. The fact that we never saw him on the bridge of the "D" is a travesty.

Honestly, a much more compelling story would have been Kirk popping out of the Nexus as Picard enters (and takes his place)..... Kirk and the "D" crew have to unravel what is going on and rescue Picard from a place he doesn't want to leave. It would have been an amazing movie.

Fascinating.

I edited a movie out of Yesterday's Enterprise whcih replaced Garrett with Kirk using footage from different sources. It works quite well beginning with the opening sequence from Generations brgining in Chekov and Scotty - Spock and Uhura also appear. More info https://dannylavery9.wordpress.com/2017/10/24/star-trek-days-of-future-past-fan-editors-notes/

Generations was definitely more a miss than hit. I would haev had Kirk survive, possibly rejoin Starfleet. Having him on the D would have been cool. Or a different plot? The Nexus was a cool concept. I'd at least have had Spock, maybe Q.

The Shtanerverse novels saw him battle with his mirror universe self, before being given an unmarked vessel so he could do discreet missions

Moving forward there was a rumour Scotty was going to recur on DS9. Kirk would have definitely rejoined Starfleet, would he retake the Admiralcy or just get a ship to be captain ? Could we have seen him fight the Dominion War? Or would he have just eventually reappeared in the movies?

So many questions

 

[Danlav05]

Generations is abit like STID in that the set up was good and theres all these fascinating tantalizing alternate routes the plot couldve taken with Kirk (and Khan).. yet the ones they went with seem to have disappointed just about everyone

That's it.


I've been thinking over the past couple of days and I decided - I'm gonna do it. I'm going to outline an alternative Star Trek VII (so 1994ish production-wise), using elements of Generations, FC, Insurrection and Nemesis. I did my DAYS OF FUTURE PAST fan edit but you can only go so far.

I will use

- TNG Crew
- Ambassador Spock
- Kirk (obviously) will survive
-The Enterprise-D survives
- In this universe Picard doesn't get the 'don't let them promote you speech' so he takes the Admrialty while Kirk takes back the Enterprise. Maybe Riker goes off and Captains another ship?
- Maybe Scotty and McCoy cameos at the end

I just need to choose a villan (probably the Romulans? maybe the Borg or Q?) and a logical way for Kirk to jump 75 years. Maybe a shuttle going through a time corridor and him being a Romulan prosioner for a few months - Picard and co find him? Spock being on Romulus could help link it all up

This is all I have so far

 

[Henoch]

I just need to choose a villan (probably the Romulans? maybe the Borg or Q?) and a logical way for Kirk to jump 75 years.

It's still the Klingon Empire from Kirk's point of view. ST:GEN starts off right after the finish of ST: TUC, the Klingons still insist that Kirk is a criminal for escaping from prison and killing some Klingon guards whose Houses demand justice. After negotiations with the Klingon Empire, the Federation returns Kirk to the Klingons for trial for these new offenses who sentence him to 75 years in cryogenic prison (a la The Demolition Man.) Apparently, cryogenic prison is the lightest forms of punishment in the Klingon legal system. After 75 years, the Enterprise-D is sent to retrieve Kirk. On the way home...

 

[Danlav05]

It's still the Klingon Empire from Kirk's point of view. ST:GEN starts off right after the finish of ST: TUC, the Klingons still insist that Kirk is a criminal for escaping from prison and killing some Klingon guards whose Houses demand justice. After negotiations with the Klingon Empire, the Federation returns Kirk to the Klingons for trial for these new offenses who sentence him to 75 years in cryogenic prison (a la The Demolition Man.) Apparently, cryogenic prison is the lightest forms of punishment in the Klingon legal system. After 75 years, the Enterprise-D is sent to retrieve Kirk. On the way home...

Interesting given TNG's Klngon history - Worf, Gowron etc

 

[Khan 2.0]

It's still the Klingon Empire from Kirk's point of view. ST:GEN starts off right after the finish of ST: TUC, the Klingons still insist that Kirk is a criminal for escaping from prison and killing some Klingon guards whose Houses demand justice. After negotiations with the Klingon Empire, the Federation returns Kirk to the Klingons for trial for these new offenses who sentence him to 75 years in cryogenic prison (a la The Demolition Man.) Apparently, cryogenic prison is the lightest forms of punishment in the Klingon legal system. After 75 years, the Enterprise-D is sent to retrieve Kirk. On the way home...

lol that does seem quite plausible they mightve done that in a Trek taking note of 90s action cinema way

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Kirk in his 90s meets Picard at the academy, which is just the kind of STID-ish story Bad Robot might do. This Picard is not so lucky and dies in ‘27.