Thanks for this I guess it was lasyness on my part, plus learning to animate , however an easy edit.
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Thanks guys for the comments and opinions , so I have for an hour or so blocking out the basic shape of the workbee from Probert's drawing suppied by aridas . It's as good as I can get with my limited skills but I was wondering do you think what I have made is too TNG? These are raw 3ds max shots and very basic, any thaughts?
Workbee 1 by Ian Simpson, on Flickr
workbee 2 by Ian Simpson, on Flickr
workbee 3 by Ian Simpson, on Flickr
Workbee 4 by Ian Simpson, on Flickr
Workbee 1 by Ian Simpson, on Flickrworkbee 2 by Ian Simpson, on Flickrworkbee 3 by Ian Simpson, on FlickrWorkbee 4 by Ian Simpson, on Flickr
I mean, I know he’s Andy Freakin’ Probert (all hail!) but I meekly and respectfully disagree with his assessment of his own designs. YMMV, but I think the Workbee from TMP is more TOS-like than this. And yes, I know that Matt Jeffries was all about components being hidden inside the hull and all, but Probert’s TOS version of the Bee looks too smooth to my eye.
Simpler geometry would probably help... I dunno. Maybe it’s just the color that’s throwing me off. My own TOS version of the Bee uses the class F shuttlecraft color palette… maybe try that?
Oh and PS, for what it’s worth, I love the hydraulic lift under your turntable (partly because it's what I did with mine!). The only thing I'd change is what was already said: make the elevator the square that surrounds the turntable (i.e., the turntable should only be a rotating disc atop the elevator platform).
Simpler geometry would probably help... I dunno. Maybe it’s just the color that’s throwing me off. My own TOS version of the Bee uses the class F shuttlecraft color palette… maybe try that?
Oh and PS, for what it’s worth, I love the hydraulic lift under your turntable (partly because it's what I did with mine!). The only thing I'd change is what was already said: make the elevator the square that surrounds the turntable (i.e., the turntable should only be a rotating disc atop the elevator platform).
IMO anytime you use Probert’s work, it is going to look at least a little TNG. But this is a case where he is clearly starting from a TOS baseline and trying to advance it just a couple of years for TMP. To me this captures that connection more than where he ended up, which almost seems more primitive in comparison. This has the funky TOS hatch, and it taps into the TAS window arrangement from one of their weird shuttlecraft. All in all, I’d say very TOS/TAS.
I dunno. I think this looks more like a TMP Workbee that's had its naughty bits removed.
It’s too small to have an impulse drive at the back or nacelles. It is kind of left as a stripped down shuttlecraft by definition. Its subtle lines certainly evoke Kellogg’s work to me.
And really… that color is the most 1960s thing about it.
Here is a TOS workbee I put together from a Ford Hovercar model. It was meant to be Pike-era, and is thus a little more Jetsons, but it is what it is:
https://imgur.com/gallery/fuUa5ZD
And really… that color is the most 1960s thing about it.
Here is a TOS workbee I put together from a Ford Hovercar model. It was meant to be Pike-era, and is thus a little more Jetsons, but it is what it is:
https://imgur.com/gallery/fuUa5ZD
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Oh WOW! Now THAT is a TOS Workbee!!! If Ian doesn’t want to model it, can I, pretty please??!!!
Absolutely. I would love to see what it would look like in your capable hands. Let me know if you need any of the graphics.
I wouldn't call it laziness since that's basically the way most plans have shown the elevator/turntable since Matt sketched it out in the 60's...
Yes, the issue to me is the window shapes and their good field of views. In TOS, as on the shuttlecraft, the windows are basically smaller square shapes and with poor fields of view. For the work-bee, I'd try one square window on the front in the upper area like a shuttlecraft window, and one smaller window on each side. There would be a good chance that they would be shuttered (panels that slide down), too, as on the shuttlecraft.
As for the rear of the work-bee and its propulsion, I'd leave its means of propulsion (i.e. external features) a mystery like unseen antigravity thrusters, for example.
I think there is a functional difference between the shuttlecraft and a bee. The bee isn’t meant to re-enter an atmosphere. I would suspect that is the (in-universe) excuse for not having the huge window Kellogg put on the shuttlecraft.
I think that is a perfect TOS craft. So glad to see you still at it since the photobucket purgesIt’s too small to have an impulse drive at the back or nacelles. It is kind of left as a stripped down shuttlecraft by definition. Its subtle lines certainly evoke Kellogg’s work to me.
And really… that color is the most 1960s thing about it.
Here is a TOS workbee I put together from a Ford Hovercar model. It was meant to be Pike-era, and is thus a little more Jetsons, but it is what it is:
https://imgur.com/gallery/fuUa5ZD
Probert's Workbee (the one Ian is modeling) seems to be pretty big for a workbee. Was it originally meant as a shuttle (hence the Shuttlecraft label) or a travel pod? If it was at the scale of the TMP workbee it would require a contortionist to get through them, IMHO.
Your older TOS workbee concept looks good though. Very Jetson's retro.
Your older TOS workbee concept looks good though. Very Jetson's retro.
It was the availability at the time of TOS of this AMT model of the Ford Levacar concept that made me think a couple of these could have been put together with minimum modification and made to look good working on Enterprise in orbit around Starbase 11:
https://image.invaluable.com/housePhotos/diefenderfer/67/600367/H2796-L110227011.jpg
Here is the concept itself:
https://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/1959_Ford_Levacar_Mach_1_03.jpg
Though I normally loathe the phrase as it has has become something of a stand-in for "I hate what the creators did with this property, so I imagine this instead,", but learning that was an actual concept car and model kits were made for it, well, this lil' cutey of a craft is now my "head canon" for a TOS era work bee.
Seriously, that is too cool! I mean, I already liked it as it resembles some of the concept drawings Jefferies created for a fleet issue "hover lorry", but the fact this thing really existed is a total trip!
Yes, I miss my dad's flying car from 1959.
That totes should be in Polaris.
How big is that supposed to Bee?Thanks guys for the comments and opinions , so I have for an hour or so blocking out the basic shape of the workbee from Probert's drawing suppied by aridas . It's as good as I can get with my limited skills but I was wondering do you think what I have made is too TNG? These are raw 3ds max shots and very basic, any thaughts?
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