Spoilers Prodigy ship revealed

[fireproof78]

there are some transparent displays on sale...and since digitizers definitely work on glass (that’s what the majority of smartphones use) you could in theory have one if you really wanted to.
But for some reason no major company is offering it...I wonder why!

Familiarity, that's why. Regardless, if I had the time, money, and know-how I would have it. I want it very much-I lack the resources to make it happen at this moment in my life.

Also, I have no doubt that in the future people can adjust to these terrible, horrible, no good, very bad holographic display!

I don’t think you can control the enterprise or te Delta flyer without the computers be online!

Mind you, I didn’t mean to imply analog controls couldn’t be desiderabile or doable, I meant that doing a fully analog system that can steer the ship without power seems impossible. Even today’s cars only give you very limited steering and braking once you turn them off and keep In mind that you need to use maneuvering trusters or impulse engines to steer a ship and those are very complex systems that would be managed by a computer.

Ah, I misunderstood. Thank you.

 

[jackoverfull]

Familiarity, that's why

there are also usability concerns, which at times are overridden by the hype factor.

See how hard is to find a laptop with a matte screen since the last 15 years, even if glossy one are proven to cause higher eye strain (but they DO look better, with more vivid colors!).

 

[jackoverfull]

Or see the brief period of early Mac OS X and Windows Vista, where transparencies and animations were suddenly easy to do and ended up everywhere, even where they started to make a mess of actually using the OS (but yes, they made for beautiful screenshots).

 

[fireproof78]

there are also usability concerns, which at times are overridden by the hype factor.

See how hard is to find a laptop with a matte screen since the last 15 years, even if glossy one are proven to cause higher eye strain (but they DO look better, with more vivid colors!).

I have no doubt there are a lot of concerns. But, it is what I want. And why I love Picard's design more than a lot of others. It makes perfect sense from a world building perspective given presented technology. Certainly ten years ago you could not have told me that I would be using a touch screen on a daily basis for my work but here I am. So, I look forward to actually being able to have a holographic display.

I might be the only person who does it and I don't give . I also still have a VHS player.

Or see the brief period of early Mac OS X and Windows Vista, where transparencies and animations were suddenly easy to do and ended up everywhere, even where they started to make a mess of actually using the OS (but yes, they made for beautiful screenshots).

Had no issues with Vista, and still use transparency on all my windows, including my Windows 7 rig.

People like different things. Just give me the option to try it instead of telling me "No, no, silly, that would never work."

 

[jackoverfull]

Certainly ten years ago you could not have told me that I would be using a touch screen on a daily basis for my work but here I am

amen to that, a lot of things are changing very fast in our times (not so in the 24th century, btw, where an upgraded century years old Excelsior-class ship can go head to head with the defiant!).

I never ACTUALLY used much Vista but I know most people didn’t enjoy the experience...I did use Windows 8 a bit and fully understood why a GUI thought for a touchscreen doesn’t really work on a regular computer.

I’m also a big fan of the early Mac OS X looks, but having situations where you have to move things around because you can’t read the half-transparent text due to the overlap with the document you have open in another’s window was just stupid. The current skin may look worse but it’s certainly easier to use (too bad the scrollbars now disappear by default, leaving you with no indication of where you are, and are so damn tiny, but you can’t have everything!).

Back to LCARS, they are a really distinctive and beautiful feature of Star Trek, something that managed to be futuristic and seem complex AND simple to use at the same time, but they would probably be terrible to use in real life. They do look good, though, and in the end this is what matters in film.

 

[fireproof78]

Back to LCARS, they are a really distinctive and beautiful feature of Star Trek, something that managed to be futuristic and seem complex AND simple to use at the same time, but they would probably be terrible to use in real life. They do look good, though, and in the end this is what matters in film.

Mileage will vary. But, I'm sure I'm in the minority on this opinion.

 

[jackoverfull]

What do you mean?

 

[fireproof78]

What do you mean?

That I am in the minority that it looks good.

 

[jackoverfull]

But what I wrote is that LCARS *do* look good...

I’m jus. Saying that as a system they have an usability similar to many 80s interfaces...that is: not so good. But they look great.

 

[NCC-73515]

LCARS is the best-looking sci-fi interface that ever existed.

 

[jackoverfull]

LCARS is the best-looking sci-fi interface that ever existed.

quite possibly!

 

[fireproof78]

But what I wrote is that LCARS *do* look good...

I’m jus. Saying that as a system they have an usability similar to many 80s interfaces...that is: not so good. But they look great.

I mistyped. IE is playing havoc today. I don't think it looks good. I think it is difficult to understand in communicating information and is not something I find visually appealing. The color palette is broadly annoying and has many distracting elements.

If this is the best that science fiction can offer than I give science fiction interfaces a hard pass.

 

[The Wormhole]

Tell that to Tom Paris. Or Riker, for that matter.

Or Detmer

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

there are some transparent displays on sale...and since digitizers definitely work on glass (that’s what the majority of smartphones use) you could in theory have one if you really wanted to.
But for some reason no major company is offering it...I wonder why!


I don’t think you can control the enterprise or te Delta flyer without the computers be online!

Mind you, I didn’t mean to imply analog controls couldn’t be desiderabile or doable, I meant that doing a fully analog system that can steer the ship without power seems impossible. Even today’s cars only give you very limited steering and braking once you turn them off and keep In mind that you need to use maneuvering trusters or impulse engines to steer a ship and those are very complex systems that would be managed by a computer.

Hey Riker was abler to fly the Enterprise E with a joystick

 

[jackoverfull]

I mistyped. IE is playing havoc today. I don't think it looks good. I think it is difficult to understand in communicating information and is not something I find visually appealing. The color palette is broadly annoying and has many distracting elements.

If this is the best that science fiction can offer than I give science fiction interfaces a hard pass.

I see...For the 80s it was pretty visionary, though, wasn’t it?

Did you notice that they started to dull the color palette in Nemesis and especially in picard?

Hey Riker was abler to fly the Enterprise E with a joystick

sure, and also plenty of analog controls since the abramsverse. But you can have analog stuff that control a computer, it doesn’t need to be physically connected to the engine.

 

[fireproof78]

I see...For the 80s it was pretty visionary, though, wasn’t it?

Did you notice that they started to dull the color palette in Nemesis and especially in picard?

It never struck me as visionary even in the 80s/90s (when I primarily saw it, and my friend used it on his computer). It was memorable and that's about all I can say about that.

 

[cooleddie74]

I do love me some colorful Okudagrams.

 

[lightspeedbear]

But they're only just slightly raised off the console and are completely opaque. I'm talking about the awful ones used on Picard and every sci-fi movie where the actors just wave their hands around in the air and then some glitchy transparent graphics are pasted over it. Interfaces like that would be unpleasant to use and are a step back from holographic technology already established.

Terrible and pointless from a usability pov, done because it "looks cool", completely ignoring how uncomfortable it would be to hold your arms up in the air for prolonged periods to use an interface. There's a reason why keyboards and mice are orientated horizontally.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Terrible and pointless from a usability pov, done because it "looks cool", completely ignoring how uncomfortable it would be to hold your arms up in the air for prolonged periods to use an interface. There's a reason why keyboards and mice are orientated horizontally.

Unless it's a tactile hologram that is solid to the touch

 

[matthunter]

Unless it's a tactile hologram that is solid to the touch

Even if it were, that doesn't address that your arms will get tired if held up all the time.