Speaking of the Guild, I wonder if we'll see a navigator this time around.
Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)
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Speaking of the Guild, I wonder if we'll see a navigator this time around.
I kinda hope we don't. Keep them a mystery, like in the book. There's no narrative need to see a full navigator in Dune, just the beginning navigators who haven't started to mutate yet beyond having the blue in blue eyes that they hide with contacts. Keep them a mystery for Messiah.
That's assuming we actually get Messiah.
(Not that I care, I've only read the first book and no interest in the others after giving up on Messiah not that far in)
(Not that I care, I've only read the first book and no interest in the others after giving up on Messiah not that far in)
Indeed. I suspect it's done this way since it's easier for the actors to see. After all, you can tell many of them had trouble seeing out of whatever contact lenses they used to create the pure blue effect in the 2000 miniseries since they move and look around in a manner which makes them seem blind.
They need to recreate the conversation between Emperor Shaddam and the Navigator from the Lynch movie or GTFO.
Even if we don't, the movie doesn't need ten minutes of a Fishman swimming in a tank filled with orange gas. There's enough story & characters as it is. It doesn't add anything. They work better as a mystery.
The miniseries used CGI. That's why the effect is missing in so many shots, or appears despite actors having their eyes closed.
Nothing original from Lynch's Dune is going to be in this.
My comment about the Emperor and the Navigator's chat was partly a joke. I just love that scene in the Lynch movie so much, that I sure wouldn't object to having it redone for this movie.
For how terrible it is Lynch's Dune did bring in stuff that has become synonymous with Dune, to the point where people don't even realize they weren't in the novel. Like parts of the scene you're talking about ("The spice must flow") & the iconic "The sleeper must awaken".
It is a pretty awesome scene. I think the whole theatrical cut beginning at least up to and including that was very well done, and this is coming from someone who has major problems with how Lynch adapted the book.
I would be blown away if we got Messiah.
my copy of the book is currently buried so I can’t check, but I thought in the throne room after the big battle there are two guild representatives whom Paul recognized as navigators but I guess they weren’t fully mutated or Herbert ignored himself with the later appearance.
Yeah, that's the one I was referring too. I believe there is also one at the banquet scene - possibly the same one? I can't recall. That's the big reveal - the guild agent loses a contact revealing his spice addiction, and the Guilds reliance on spice for navigation, which was unknown to everyone (except Paul) at that point. The navigators in early stages are used as espionage agents pretending to represent the bank, furthering the Guilds positions in the empire.
The BH/KJA books retconned that out with like a spice exposure room where people went from normal to mutated navigators in one moment but whatever. OG book canon supersedes them.
The Guild is still one of my favorite organizations from Dune. Leto's interactions in House Atreides was so interesting.
I'll have to reread but Dune Messiah introduced a mutated appearance according to Wikipedia's entry.
Yes, Edric.
In Dune, you see people at the start of their transformation into navigators. No mutations beyond blue in blue eyes and limited prescience. Pretending to be regular Guild agents.
In Messiah, we are introduced to Edric, who is a full navigator, and has fully mutated, living in a tank filled with orange melange gas.
Ok. Maybe I'm just misunderstood.
But, I'm hoping the Guild continues its mysterious ways in the film.
Yeah I guess I wasn't very clear, looks like a couple people were confused by my post.
I wonder if and how the new movie will explain the political background that led to the events of the first book/the movie.
It is quite simple and Lynch's movie did it well enough but i can't help and wonder if Dune would be really good if adapted Game of Thrones style with adequate budget and TV writers who know what they're doing.
The books are so rich with background and history, it is such a shame that the movies don't have time to explore this entire universe.
It is quite simple and Lynch's movie did it well enough but i can't help and wonder if Dune would be really good if adapted Game of Thrones style with adequate budget and TV writers who know what they're doing.
The books are so rich with background and history, it is such a shame that the movies don't have time to explore this entire universe.
As much as I would love more of Dune I am highly reticent about delving into history outside of books. Watching the fan fights over in other fandoms, as well as my own experience discussing Dune, makes adaptation sound like a minefield of nitpicks.
The problem is, if they want to explore anything before the original book, they're probably going to be stuck having to adapt the KJA/BH books. They seem to be the ones in charge of the overall franchise and I'm not sure if they're the kind of guys who would let someone go off and do their own prequel that doesn't use their books.
How detailed is the description of the fully mutated Navigator? I've only read the original novel, and there seem to be some pretty drastically different versions out there in the adaptations and artwork. I wasn't sure if it was that someone people were going away from books and doing their own thing, or if the books were vague enough that people could interpret it in a lot of different ways.
