The whole point of the show is about what makes a Loki a Loki, having the villain be anyone but Loki doesn’t make sense.
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It just occurred to me variants could be a way to recast Tony Stark or Steve Rogers if they ever want to bring things back to the status quo with cheaper actors.
More interestingly it could explain how we went from Terrence Howard Rhoadey to Don Cheadle. Just a variant being removed and the timeline reset.
More interestingly it could explain how we went from Terrence Howard Rhoadey to Don Cheadle. Just a variant being removed and the timeline reset.
I don't think the cost of the actors is the issue here. It was the fact the those characters naturally concluded their story arcs and their respective actors were ready to move on.
But you're right that would be an interesting way of reintroduce them in some form. But I don't think we're anywhere need that idea. The MCU hasn't even dug into the Fantastic Four or mutants! Along with all of the other characters they're planning to introduce in phase 4.
Ooooh! I like that very much.
I agree. And I think the TVA's actions feel evocative of trans erasure. But I also think Marvel is tentative about being explicit about that.
We do? We know he'll be showing up in Ant-Man 3, but Doctor Strange?
Christ...I messed up. Yes, Ant-Man 3. My bad.....
It does seem strange to introduce him so far ahead of Ant-Man 3 unless he shows up somewhere else sooner.
It also seems strange to "randomly" introduce him in the final hour of a 6 (ish) hour story where there's been zero reference or seeding of him anywhere. That's just poor storytelling. My money's not on Kang, but someone or something more personal to Loki, including a variant of himself.
The same reasons I kept laughing at the odd Mephisto hopes in WandaVision. You just don't randomly pull people in at the very end because a few comic book reader will know who he is.
Like I've said before, I expect a Loki variant will probably be the man behind the curtain but I also expect Kang will be revealed to be operating from the shadows as seen in the post-credits scene.
Usually the first time you introduce a villain there's very little about said villain. If it is Kang and if he did indeed set up the TVA; that's pretty much all you need to know. In going forward I'm sure they'll integrate more from the actual comic books about the character into the MCU.
I do find it interesting that they chose Ant-Man 3 as a main vehicle for Kang the Conqueror, as in the comics he was first introduced as a villain for the Fantastic Four and then became a protagonist in The Avengers storylines.
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I see where you're coming from. But.......
The finale is supposed to change a lot for the MCU. Perhaps his role in Ant-Man will be something that's going to be build up to, starting with Loki.
I can't think of a time where the villain hasn't been introduced in the first act of a movie or show. Just going through Marvel movies... is there even 1?
I'm sure someone will say "The Avengers" but it's not the same thing. Knowing there was a man behind the man doesn't change the fact that Loki was the villain in the film.
Introducing a new character 85% of the way through the story as the real villain make no sense, which is why my money's on an older / variant Revana. Note: This does not mean that he can't have a mid-credits / post-credits appearance, just like Thanos. (It's not like episode 5 wasn't full of Kang references after all.)
The FF faced Rama Tut. The Avengers faced Kang. I'm not sure at the time Stan, Jack or anyone else intended them to be the same person.
The whole thing has been filled with references to Kang, his girlfriend is even one of the main characters.
Not in the Marvel stuff, but that doesn't mean it can't happen, especially if this is just an introduction for a character who is going to go on to get a bigger role later.
However, I will admit it being another Loki does make a lot more sense for the story being told here.
The only reason I ever thought Kang was because of all of the references and easter eggs related to him. It feel kind of weird to have all of that in the series, but then not actually have him show up in some form.
I rewatched the first five episodes ahead of tomorrow's finale. A few things stood out that I didn't pick up on last time:
The TVA is awfully Earth-centric. Aside from Lamentis-1 and Asgard, everything we see takes place on Earth in various time zones and the only references to any other planets are in the tickers. I suppose that's to be expected (and not even from a budget standpoint since the show took a page from Doctor Who by using a quarry for Lamentis-1), but one thing did stand out as unusual: The orientation video Miss Minutes narrated when Loki first arrived ended with a spinning Earth globe as part of its logo. I'm sure it doesn't actually mean anything but I do find it curious.
Considering how the season has played out regarding the true nature of the TVA and what we expect to find out in the finale, I love that Loki called the TVA an illusion in the very first episode.
I don't actually expect an answer here, but I found myself wondering during "Journey Into Mystery" how anyone knew Aolith's name. I'm sure Classic Loki and the rest of the Lokis heard it from someone else who was there before them and the same happened with them and so on, but how did its (her? he?) name original reach the ears of the end-of-time void denizens? It's not like it goes around introducing itself before annihilating everything from existence. "Hi! My name is Aolith! Nice to meet you! I'm going to annihilate you now!"
This might be nothing but considering Mobius gave Loki his Variant jacket came from packaging that suggests mass production (and B-15 knew what was going to be on it) seems to indicate that Loki isn't the first variant the TVA has (openly...considering their own actual existence) utilized variants for operations. Or perhaps that jacket was a not-so-subtle clue from the man from behind the curtain that they're all variants?
The TVA is awfully Earth-centric. Aside from Lamentis-1 and Asgard, everything we see takes place on Earth in various time zones and the only references to any other planets are in the tickers. I suppose that's to be expected (and not even from a budget standpoint since the show took a page from Doctor Who by using a quarry for Lamentis-1), but one thing did stand out as unusual: The orientation video Miss Minutes narrated when Loki first arrived ended with a spinning Earth globe as part of its logo. I'm sure it doesn't actually mean anything but I do find it curious.
Considering how the season has played out regarding the true nature of the TVA and what we expect to find out in the finale, I love that Loki called the TVA an illusion in the very first episode.
I don't actually expect an answer here, but I found myself wondering during "Journey Into Mystery" how anyone knew Aolith's name. I'm sure Classic Loki and the rest of the Lokis heard it from someone else who was there before them and the same happened with them and so on, but how did its (her? he?) name original reach the ears of the end-of-time void denizens? It's not like it goes around introducing itself before annihilating everything from existence. "Hi! My name is Aolith! Nice to meet you! I'm going to annihilate you now!"
This might be nothing but considering Mobius gave Loki his Variant jacket came from packaging that suggests mass production (and B-15 knew what was going to be on it) seems to indicate that Loki isn't the first variant the TVA has (openly...considering their own actual existence) utilized variants for operations. Or perhaps that jacket was a not-so-subtle clue from the man from behind the curtain that they're all variants?
We did see a variant Skrull in the first episode.
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