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BREAKING: Paramount Sets Top Secret Star Trek Movie For Summer 2023; To Be Produced By J.J. Abrams

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The fact that they haven't given out any information besides one is coming out makes me think it'll happen. Because it's been their MO to keep a tight lid on the films that actually went into production. If we knew more about it, then it likely wouldn't happen because otherwise they wouldn't tell us a damn thing, due to NDA.

I maintain I think it's going to be TNG in the Kelvin Timeline. I think the Pine/Quinto films are done. It wasn't intended to be a trilogy, but I think that's what it's become. And I don't think it's going to tie into the streaming series because then anyone who doesn't watch them would be totally lost. So those are the reasons why I think it'll be Kelvin TNG.

Plus films in general are still in the Reboots & Comic Book Movies Era. TNG was big in the '80s and '90s, so the idea that they'd want to make a reboot with a feature film, done in comic book movie style, isn't far-fetched. And especially since it definitely wouldn't be covering the same ground as Picard.
 
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I think the reason for Voyager's popularity renaissance in the streaming era is that people are watching it through more grit fatigued eyes now.

You watch it when TNG just ended and DS9 is ongoing and don't have the option of skipping bad episodes, it's ratings conscious TNG lite. You watch it after NuBSG, Discovery and Picard, it's fun light old school Trek.

I've never heard serious PC-related bashing of TOS beyond nitpicks here and there. Much more than that, when people criticize TOS I hear them having trouble looking past the cheese factor of some of the storytelling.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
I think the reason for Voyager's popularity renaissance in the streaming era is that people are watching it through more grit fatigued eyes now.

You watch it when TNG just ended and DS9 is ongoing and don't have the option of skipping bad episodes, it's ratings conscious TNG lite. You watch it after NuBSG, Discovery and Picard, it's fun light old school Trek.

I've never heard serious PC-related bashing of TOS beyond nitpicks here and there. Much more than that, when people criticize TOS I hear them having trouble looking past the cheese factor of some of the storytelling.
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And you chose to post all of that stuff about Voyager, TNG, DS9, NuBSG, Discovery, Picard, TOS in this forum, in this thread, because... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ... yeah, I have no idea why.

Is it a response to something upthread, and everyone is just supposed to know, without being told, to which post you're referring here? Can you give us a hint?
 
M'Sharak said:
And you chose to post all of that stuff about Voyager, TNG, DS9, NuBSG, Discovery, Picard, TOS in this forum, in this thread, because... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ... yeah, I have no idea why.

Is it a response to something upthread, and everyone is just supposed to know, without being told, to which post you're referring here? Can you give us a hint?
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It’s a response to posts in the previous page. You could have easily just checked back a page or two first.

Just one page ago there was a back and forth conversation about people’s different attitudes toward different eras of Trek at different times. You could have done a little due diligence before calling me out.
 
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Lord Garth said:
Sounds like my experience during the first several years I was a fan.

Then it was the "Killer B's have destroyed Star Trek! Voyager sucks! Cancel Enterprise!" for a while. Then, after Nemesis, it was TNG and the TNG Era as a whole that was bashed. And TOS kind-of/sort-of made a comeback for a while.

Nowadays, among the Elitist Trekkie Crowd, it's more like anything goes... as long as it came out before 2009.

Looking back at 30 years of my being a fan, I see a pattern and a clear through-line: something is bashed because it's fashionable to be bashed, and then suddenly it becomes "great" or at least "okay".

So I have to look at the context of the posts to see if someone really has a point to their criticizing DSC or PIC (or the Kelvin Films while we're at it) or if they're just going with what everyone else says and will change their opinion once again, when the wind starts to blow in another direction. I'm not saying there aren't things to criticize about newer Star Trek, I just have to look at what's the motivation and thought process behind those criticisms and if it's even actual criticism or just parroting someone else's rhetoric.
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This is what I was responding to.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
This is what I was responding to.
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Okay, that makes sense then.

Thread-drift happens sometimes, but it's good to quote what you're responding to so it doesn't throw everyone off. It threw me off too. It's been a while since I made that post, so I didn't remember it, but yes, what I said there still stands.
 
fireproof78 said:
That's what Star Trek is. A product.
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Yup. When you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, Star Trek is a property they own, in the same way that Transformers or G.I. Joe are properties they own. As a business concern, for them to look at properties as anything other than a means of selling movies from which they can make a profit would make little sense.

And for any Paramount or CBS exec to look at Star Trek with a gleam of religious zeal in their eyes and high thoughts in their mind of following Gene! Roddenberry's! Vision!™ would render them unfit to hold that executive position. To be TruBelievers is not their function, in the same way that it is not the function of TruBelievers to decide how and when new Star Trek movies should be written / produced / distributed. None of that is our call, nor has it ever been.
 
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Yup. When you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, Star Trek is a property they own, in the same way that Transformers or G.I. Joe are properties they own. As a business concern, for them to look at properties as anything other than a means of selling movies from which they can make a profit would make little sense.

And for any Paramount or CBS exec to look at Star Trek with a gleam of religious zeal in their eyes and high thoughts in their mind of following Gene! Roddenberry's! Vision!™ would render them unfit to hold that executive position. To be TruBelievers is not their function, in the same way that it is not the function of TruBelievers to decide how and when new Star Trek movies should be written / produced / distributed. None of that is our call, nor has it ever been.
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Gene Roddenberry's "vision" can go fuck itself. It didn't help the Berman Trek people avoid stagnation; if anything it encouraged it. IF Paramount doesn't want their franchise to keep stalling they should want to make the best movies possible. And two '80s cartoon franchises are not good models for that (Quick, who's directed the new GI Joe movie that I can't stop seeing that stupid trailer for? Without looking him up).

If they saw ST as another Mission Impossible, that would at least be a promising sign considering how much the MI films have improved. But they won't.
 
Nobody was advocating for executives in 2021 to follow the mythical Gene's Vision.

Much as I might not enjoy it, TV Trek is sort of getting back to the best one (I) could hope for a creative "franchise": a human being at the top who does seem to have a guiding vision; and shows produced/guided by a person with same (Chabon, McMahon).

Like him or not, GR (pre-"Gene's Vision") was a writer who wanted a vehicle on TV through which to tell stories. (And yes, of course, make money, I know that's where some of you were going. But still, there was a person.) As opposed to a corporation that owns a title and IP and feels the need to make some product every now and then to increase shareholder value.
 
WarpFactorZ said:
Shatner teases a return of Kirk Prime in 2023 film (FWIW, I don't really think he was serious, based on how he said it in the article -- but you never know....):

https://trekmovie.com/2021/09/08/wi...-playing-kirk-prime-for-2023-star-trek-movie/
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And like every other time Shatner has mentioned returning, it won't happen.

As for the Paramount/Abrams films: Honestly, they've already succeeded years ago to convince the powers that be that Trek is a viable property that can prosper on television. They really don't need to make any more movies. Now with that said, don't expect the movies that they do make to have any sort of substance other than being an action film taking place in the future.
 
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