Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!

[Christopher]

But when Superman freed the other humans she was not affected.

She wasn't with them, was she? That's my recollection -- I think I noticed that she wasn't there for the big fight and realized the writers had left her out so that she'd still be possessed after the others were freed.


Meanwhile, I'm wondering how much time passed between episodes. Last week, Sam said that going "solar flare" would leave Superman powerless for days (consistent with what we've seen in Supergirl), yet the events back in Smallville seemed like they were happening no more than a day later, and Superman had his powers back, at least partially, by the end.

Well, maybe being in the Fortress recharged him faster. Maybe that's why he was headed there in the first place.

 

[Mudd]

The statement was vaguer than that - "Out of commission for days" does not necessarily mean "completely powerless for days at the end of which it'll all come back at once like flipping on a light." All we really saw was that he recovered his ability to fly and, frankly, he looked a lot worse for the effort when he made that landing between Edge and his family.

 

[The Realist]

She wasn't with them, was she? That's my recollection -- I think I noticed that she wasn't there for the big fight and realized the writers had left her out so that she'd still be possessed after the others were freed.

It may be that Larr was too distant for the process to affect her, but it could also be that her original human consciousness was fully eradicated, and the Kryptonian mind had irreversibly taken over. Lara said they could save the recently eradicated Smallville residents by “prevent[ing] the transfer from completing,” but that after that point, the old consciousness would no longer exist.

 

[Christopher]

It may be that Larr was too distant for the process to affect her, but it could also be that her original human consciousness was fully eradicated, and the Kryptonian mind had irreversibly taken over.

I think those are both true and unrelated to each other. Yes, the Kryptonian mind fully took over long ago, but if she simply wasn't present for the fight, then it's a moot question.

 

[Mudd]

An interesting, if trivial detail is that Superman Dark's costume as seen in the flashbacks to Irons' Earth is based on the Supergirl version of Clark's outfit with the addition of a higher collar, done up in black/monochrome. None of the details match the Superman & Lois suit.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

As for Superman on/in the Supergirl series, the character was 'in' the show (in the form of text messages from him to Kara) at the start of Season 1. They've already mentioned the CoIE directly on this show (Hell, it's how Steel was introduced); so sorry again, - not mentioning Kara/Supergirl makes no sense at all.

It only makes sense if S&L's Superman--obviously set roughly a decade 1/2 past the current Supergirl timeline (based on the ages of the twins) has already accepted that Kara is either dead--or as I've predicted--left the 21st century to be with Mon-El in the future. That would be the best way of explaining why he never speaks of his cousin, and why Edge does not head count her as part of the Kryptonians living on earth.

If the showrunners never take the sensible route (and being a Berlanti production, that has a strong possibility of happening), there will be no explanations for SG's place in the S&L timeline at all. The Arrowverse has never been a steady model of franchise continuity (probably the worst), so despite all of the debate, the SG issue may never be addressed in a logical, satisfactory manner.

I think that's kind of the point, if she does exist, not mentioning her yet makes no sense with the plotlines going on.

Agreed--unless S&L has another flashback episode where his Metropolis life becomes intertwined with Kara's--as in a plot that is designed to to just show where she's at, or to act as part of the run-up to Supergirl's series finale.

 

[The Realist]

I don't believe S&L is set in the future relative to the other Arrowverse shows (to the extent it has any connection to them at all). I think Crisis not only turned "boy" into "boys," but aged them up as well (by altering Clark and Lois's history so they married and conceived much earlier than we saw in the pre-Crisis continuity).

 

[Christopher]

I don't believe S&L is set in the future relative to the other Arrowverse shows (to the extent it has any connection to them at all). I think Crisis not only turned "boy" into "boys," but aged them up as well (by altering Clark and Lois's history so they married and conceived much earlier than we saw in the pre-Crisis continuity).

That is the evident intent, although they screwed up the timing with the Friday Night Lights mention on the marquee. (Why that picture, I wonder? I guess it was kind of an inspiration for the football stuff earlier in the season?)

There definitely will be crossovers going forward, keeping the shows in pretty much the same time frame. In addition to Diggle's appearance next week, they've said that The Flash's next season will begin with a series of team-ups with various guest heroes, and though they haven't said that Superman (or Lois) would be involved, the fact that they're making an effort to do crossovers and team-ups again makes me doubt very much that they'd want to exclude S&L from the possibility of crossing over.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

That is the evident intent, although they screwed up the timing with the Friday Night Lights mention on the marquee. (Why that picture, I wonder? I guess it was kind of an inspiration for the football stuff earlier in the season?)

From the S&L wiki references:
https://deadline.com/2021/02/superm...chlin-bitsie-tulloch-todd-helbing-1234689717/

Helbing said that he and fellow executive producer Greg Berlanti talked about how they wanted to make Superman in general different. “We talked a lot about shows like Everwood and Friday Night Lights,” he said. He added that they wanted a family drama with Superman in it.

 

[dupersuper]

Speaking of Dig, I wonder if he’s a GL now? He and WW are the only heavy hitters not in the ArrowVerse yet.

I'd say Captain Marvel (Shazam if you insist) qualifies as a heavy hitter.

I'm still thinking the most likely explanation is S&L takes place after the Supergirl finale

So Diggles appearances in the two shows are out of order?

 

[Dick Whitman]

Pure conjecture - it makes since that John Diggle’s struggles for turning down a Green Lantern ring would resolve on the series which is the most heavily about aliens from throughout the galaxy living on Earth. Which is Supergirl.

 

[cylkoth]

It's not conjecture if you recall that...once more with feeling, Supergirl's final season was supposed to debut last October and end before S&L's launch this year. So Diggle would have showed up first on SG and the other shows before arriving in Smallville.

 

[Dick Whitman]

That does not sounds right at all. Supergirl was always going to debut late in the season after the other shows due to Melissa Benoist’s pregnancy. That was announced before the pandemic.

 

[Skipper]

I realized that one of the major differences between the Clark Kent of the television series and the other versions is that he is usually depicted as one of the best reporters of the Daily Planet since the beginning of his career. Here, however, he is little more than an intern (and it make sense considering that he had no real experience whatever). And it seems that he didn't really move up a lot after that, considering he was one of the first to get fired in the first episode and no one said anything like "Oh no, how did they fire one of the best journalists in the country!?!" .

 

[crookeddy]

This last episode was by far the most liked of the entire season on IMDB, but suffered another decrease (13.53%) - only 831k viewers! There is no way they will be able to keep the show the same quality with these ratings. Expect cast members to be cut, writing room slashed, and number of action scenes drastically decreased.

 

[Christopher]

I realized that one of the major differences between the Clark Kent of the television series and the other versions is that he is usually depicted as one of the best reporters of the Daily Planet since the beginning of his career.

In the early decades, sure. Kent was the star reporter and Lane was the "girl reporter" struggling against the glass ceiling to make a name for herself. But since the Donner movie and the Byrne reboot, the standard approach is to portray Lois as the Planet's award-winning ace journalist and Kent as the upstart who builds his career by getting the scoop on Superman stories (i.e. cheating).

Here, however, he is little more than an intern (and it make sense considering that he had no real experience whatever). And it seems that he didn't really move up a lot after that, considering he was one of the first to get fired in the first episode and no one said anything like "Oh no, how did they fire one of the best journalists in the country!?!" .

Well, the flashbacks did largely skip over the middle part of Clark/Superman's career, shifting focus to marriage and family. His journalism has never been a primary focus of this show in any case. We saw his prominence as a journalist on Supergirl, and yes, it is still the same continuity despite the narrative conceits that sometimes imply otherwise. Just because a show doesn't choose to emphasize something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Object permanence is a thing.

 

[Mudd]

Expect cast members to be cut, writing room slashed, and number of action scenes drastically decreased.

Expectations are usually foolish.

 

[cylkoth]

That does not sounds right at all. Supergirl was always going to debut late in the season after the other shows due to Melissa Benoist’s pregnancy. That was announced before the pandemic.

Mea culpa... You're right. I was locked onto the original pre-pandemic, pre-pregnacy schedule announcements from early Jan 2020. Looking up the production starts, both shows began production in October, after Melissa's maternity leave.

Sorry for the unnecessary confusion.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

This last episode was by far the most liked of the entire season on IMDB, but suffered another decrease (13.53%) - only 831k viewers! There is no way they will be able to keep the show the same quality with these ratings. Expect cast members to be cut, writing room slashed, and number of action scenes drastically decreased.

Who knows how the production would be impacted by this data (if at all), but one would have imagined that there would have been even a minor uptick in viewership.

 

[Noname Given]

This last episode was by far the most liked of the entire season on IMDB, but suffered another decrease (13.53%) - only 831k viewers! There is no way they will be able to keep the show the same quality with these ratings. Expect cast members to be cut, writing room slashed, and number of action scenes drastically decreased.

Yeah no. If the series isn't cancelled (and no real indication it will be from WB - direct TV broadcast isn't the only metric they use); it'll keep going as it has been. If they 'slash and burn' characters, they might as well cancel it.

They KNOW they have ways to recoup production costs and make the series profitable in the long term.