What ships SHOULD they have used in the Dominion War?

As I said, I don’t care how you choose to interpret things. In the case of “Sons of Mogh,” I’m going to go with the VFX people’s intent over what was written in the script.

 

Scripts aren’t any more valid than anything else. Spock says Vulcan is millions of light years away at one point when the entire Galaxy is a hundred thousand wide. What’s ultimately presented to the viewer comes across whole (dialogue, visuals, intent), and we focus on mixtures of everything. Here, the ship is clearly meant by the FX dept to be Noggra’s, and it comes to the viewer as such.

I’d love to see an updated version of it further Klingon-ifying the design.

 

And I'm going to go with the writers' intent over what was shown - but I win, because my choice doesn't result in a contradiction.

There's no winning in certain situations, but this isn't one of those.

Timo Saloniemi

 

I don’t see a contradiction between “Our shuttle was damaged” and an establishing shot with a starship that can easily carry a shuttle.

 

Timo, what are you talking about? What are you winning exactly? This is a TV show, and we all experience it in different ways. And that the writers and producers themselves do the same. They change how and what they write depending on what comes out, not on what characters squawk.

 

The internet, of course.

Well, "Rodek" should, once he recovers his wits (if not his memory). Why would he be on the station if the shuttle was operating from the ship? Klingons don't believe in medicine much to begin with, and would hardly resort to asking for help from the station if their own sawbones couldn't patch Rodek together nor declare him fit for immediate putting down!

Timo Saloniemi

 

The station would’ve been much closer to where the shuttle ended up on its two-person mission, so they conveniently used a runabout pad like the Romulan shuttle, and only later did the House ship arrive to pick them up. Noggra then swore the eleven people running it and seven back home to secrecy.

Rodek thus became a member of “a small but proud family”, which could’ve been more practical about matters of medicine than highly placed traditionalists like Worf or Kurn. They couldn’t afford to lose a potential heir or anyone really over something people can magically recover from (like Uhura).

 

You reveal yourself more to the internet than win it. The internet is as winnable as it is stable.

And Ferengi don’t believe in anything but profit, then we meet the assassin Lek. Then half of Ferengi society is reordered under Zek/Ishka/Rom. Cultures are complex.

Okie-doke. Works for me.

 

This is the kind of stupid shit that he does. He’s pathologically unable to not get in the last word. I’m used to it.

Let’s get back to the topic.

I personally would have loved if the DS9 VFX personnel had had the time and budget to create a bunch of new starship designs that were contemporary to the TNG era, both Starfleet and Klingon. That at least would have made it look like they had a fighting chance against the Dominion.

 

Add Mirandas and Constellations to the "Kitchen Sink" and you have the Zombie fleet. I can see taking those ships out of mothballs out of sheer desperation.

As I recall, the U.S.S. Orion was used as a gopher during the war.

Some newer ships: Steamrunner, Norway.

Another ship worth mentioning is the U.S.S. Yeagar, which hung around DS9.

 

I’ve never heard of that ship. Care to elaborate?

 

I was referring to fan fiction by Bry Sinclair. Google "Star Trek: Orion - The Series" and Trekbbs.

 

Short of the Dominion going genocidal, I don't see this working. That is, not in fleet battle shots. They might use the ships as ferries and police and so on, but sending them up against Jem'Hadar tech is suicide. When it gets that bad, you surrender or sue for peace.

...in fact, if my AI circa 2036 lets me, in my rewatching of TNG even, I'd switch out the Brattain and Lantree and so on for Apollo and other E-C era ships, or newer ships like the New Orleans or Preble linked upthread.

Never! The Steamrunner reminds me of a Lower Decks ship with its absurdly huge Bussards. (In fact, I never understand why they attach Bussards to the saucer of a ship: those things are drawing in interstellar matter that might slice through and obliterate a ship if everything isn't just so. It's madness to attach that next to say the public head on Deck 5.) But also, just look at a side-by-side view of this ship next to say Voyager in one of those size comparison graphics. The detail and scaling and lines betray it as a cartoon of a ship not meant to be looked at too closely. This is why I like the Saber, Mark I so much; it fits both the esthetics of the period and also pumps up the polygons and realism of the ship.

The Norway has the same problem. It's meant to be looked at less closely still. One thing about it though is that with that groove in the back it kinda looks like it's the warp sled of a larger vessel. Like it could carry a train behind it of troop or cargo attachments.

I'd sooner see the U.S.S. Yeager literally pulled out of a museum to be used as tribble bomb!

But no, if you look at it from afar as it was in the series and squint, it's kinda nice to see the Voyager saucer on another ship of its era, with its own inscrutable Starfleet configuration. But I'd need to see a major redo/fleshing out of the Maquis raider stardrive to take it seriously.

 

As I recall, Bry Sinclair used the Zombie Fleet as support vessels, freeing up newer ships for combat.

I noticed that the Excelsiors-once hailed as the Great Experiment-was used as a bus to ferry passengers out to the Enterprise D. I suspect that by TNG the last of this class were nearly at the end of their service lives.

I recall seeing steam runner and Norway only once, in the First Contact battle. This might be explained if these were intended for highly specialized functions, but were thrown into battle because they were armed.

 

Could you link to images of what you mean by this accident?

 

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/dominion-battlecruiser.htm

 

Good points, Unicron.

BTW, I recall once posting to another thread the same Saber link that Arpy used.

As for ship building, I would concentrate on the Saber Mk-2. Mass production gives you the advantages of numbers.

I would not have given the Prometheus the green light, being overly complicated for a crash program.

 

Yeah, that's what I heard too. Paramount (or whoever was producing DS9 at the time) asked ILM for their four FC ship CGI models to remap so they could use them in the DS9 fleet scenes, but we only ever saw three of them because the Norway was apparently lost. From what we know of ILM from the Abrams films, losing meshes is common. I'm surprised all four of those ships weren't lost. (And I'm not sure I would have shed a tear if they were...)

 

As long as there were Mirandas floating around seeing a Churchill class would have been cool.