Exactly. There is nothing unlawful about Picard's orders in AGT, until the Neutral Zone, but by then there was a sense that Picard was pursuing something extremely important. So, there was a measure of trust for this captain, if nothing else.
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Remember what Janeway says when Captain Braxton tells her that she has to be killed in order to preserve the future solar system. She says "No"
And?
Yep. There it is.
Timefleet isn't Starfleet. Even if it was, Braxton doesn't outrank her.
She has even trouble taking orders from her future self, that's not to obey blindly to some high ranking fool who tells her to kill herself.
Again, he doesn't outrank her.
Again, she refused to take orders from HERSELF!!!
What exact point are you trying to make?
You seem to be launching into one bloody non sequitur after another.
What does her refusing her own order have to do with whether Braxton was entitled to give her an order?
And what, for that matter, does ANY of that have to do with Picard ordering crewmembers around in AGT?
You're putting out dots. You aren't connecting them into anything resembling a cat.
My point that you seem to obstinately refuse to see is that Janeway wasn't about to accept an order to go to her death without a detailed explanation as to why.
Except Braxton didn't order her to her death. He just showed up and attacked, when she hailed him he basically said "can't talk, killing you." And in the end, it's just as well she did fight back, given by attacking Voyager Braxton set into motion the very event he was trying to prevent.
Though it's still unclear what this has to do with what was previously being discussed in this thread.
The point is apparently that Starfleet officers will not carry out orders unless explained to them in painstaking detail as to why they are about to die. Makes me feel bad for the poor saps on the Defiant when Worf orders "ramming speed."
It's directly linked to what was previously discussed in the thread.
Whatever you say, brah.
It's making broad sweeping generalizations without taking in the nuance of different situations. It assumes black and white when each situation would naturally mandate a different response.
When this many people are "refusing to see" your point, you may have to consider the idea that the issue isn't with them...
You and who else?
The two or three other posters you're debating with...?
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