What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Unimatrix Q]

[QUTE="Farscape One, post: 13803707, member: 73863"]Movies and series are very different mediums. The changes made to the characters were essentially because it was movies.[/QUOTE]

But why did Kirk, Spock and Bones and the rest of the original crew got to stay mostly the same for the original TOS movies and were handled way better than the TNG crew, if that was the case?

It's actually one of the main reasons why i prefer the TOS movies, despite being more of a TNG fan.

 

[eschaton]

But why did Kirk, Spock and Bones and the rest of the original crew got to stay mostly the same for the original TOS movies and were handled way better than the TNG crew, if that was the case?

I think the TOS movies are better because they are more varied. I mean, TVH was a straight-up comedy. TUC involved aspects of a murder mystery and a spy movie. TFF - as bad as it was - had no villain, only an antagonist.

In contrast, the TNG movies were more or less an attempt to catch lightening in a bottle and do TWOK over again. Except for Insurrection I guess, which was just a jumped-up TNG episode.

 

[plynch]

TVH is a lighthearted adventure, not what I would call straight up comedy.

And I would argue Kirk and Spock are all over the map in portrayal cf to the series (where he varied a lot). Super cold in TMP to integrated person in II, zombie in IV, normalish? in V and VI.

Kirk is also kind of cold and military in TMP and becomes the Khan-yelling rulebreaker from II on.

 

[Vger23]

TVH is a lighthearted adventure, not what I would call straight up comedy.

And I would argue Kirk and Spock are all over the map in portrayal cf to the series (where he varied a lot). Super cold in TMP to integrated person in II, zombie in IV, normalish? in V and VI.

Kirk is also kind of cold and military in TMP and becomes the Khan-yelling rulebreaker from II on.

Yeah, but these were logical character arcs based on where their characters had been during the "hiatus" and what they experienced through the course of the films.

 

[Swedish Borg]

We're told that Data doesn't have emotions again and again... but the truth is he's not played like someone without emotion, not at all. He's played like someone with Asperger's Syndrome.

Ironically the kid in "Hero Worship" does a better impression of what Data is purported to be than Spiner himself. Is it misdirection or Spiner deliberately including emotion? I can't believe it's bad acting since Spiner is a pretty good actor.

There's another possibility, maybe they realized that if they played Data without emotion people would have trouble relating to him, so they cheated and created this mishmash or a character that smiles all the time, changes his tone of voice depending on the circumstances, but is sort of awkward around people, and often seems like a fish out of water;... And keep making silly mistakes and silly assumptions.

And when people who don't know better see this, they tell themselves: "This is what an android is supposed to be like."

 

[fireproof78]

But why did Kirk, Spock and Bones and the rest of the original crew got to stay mostly the same for the original TOS movies and were handled way better than the TNG crew, if that was the case?

Kirk really isn't the same in TMP or TWOK. The films are arguably about his midlife crisis and going through a lot of grief about getting old. I think the TOS crew was handled better for the most part, with Chekov and Scotty a lot of times getting the short end of the stick. But, I don't think they were mostly the same, especially in TMP.

TVH is a lighthearted adventure, not what I would call straight up comedy.

And I would argue Kirk and Spock are all over the map in portrayal cf to the series (where he varied a lot). Super cold in TMP to integrated person in II, zombie in IV, normalish? in V and VI.

Kirk is also kind of cold and military in TMP and becomes the Khan-yelling rulebreaker from II on.

Mid life crisis will do that to a person. And watching your best friend die. And hearing your son die. Yeah, I can't imagine that does wonders for the psyche.

We're told that Data doesn't have emotions again and again... but the truth is he's not played like someone without emotion, not at all. He's played like someone with Asperger's Syndrome.

Data is often played poorly, in my opinion. He is someone who struggles with understanding humans and yet desires their approval. On my effort to rewatch TNG and try to appreciate it The Ensigns of Command stood out because Data was asking Picard regarding performing and then Data becomes distracted because Picard leaves. WHAT?

 

[eschaton]

We're told that Data doesn't have emotions again and again... but the truth is he's not played like someone without emotion, not at all. He's played like someone with Asperger's Syndrome.

Ironically the kid in "Hero Worship" does a better impression of what Data is purported to be than Spiner himself. Is it misdirection or Spiner deliberately including emotion? I can't believe it's bad acting since Spiner is a pretty good actor.

There's another possibility, maybe they realized that if they played Data without emotion people would have trouble relating to him, so they cheated and created this mishmash or a character that smiles all the time, changes his tone of voice depending on the circumstances, but is sort of awkward around people, and often seems like a fish out of water;... And keep making silly mistakes and silly assumptions.

And when people who don't know better see this, they tell themselves: "This is what an android is supposed to be like."

There actually are people who have a particular damage to their brain where they can no longer feel emotions. These people make lots of decisions that we would consider irrational. For example, they might choose to drive dangerously and not buckle their seat belt because they are missing the fear that leads to a reflexive desire for self-preservation.

When it comes down to it, in the real world, emotions and "logic" cannot be disentangled.

 

[dupersuper]

Kirk is also kind of cold and military in TMP and becomes the Khan-yelling rulebreaker from II on.

Again with the "rule breaker". In 2 and 3 sure: 2 we learn how he beat the Kobyashi Maru, 3 where he steals the Enterprise specifically to bring back Spock, but Kirk doesn't just go around breaking rules for kicks. He doesn't break any rules in 4 (is in fact going back to answer for his breaking of them in 3), none in 5 that I can think of, and none in 6 (except serving Romulan Ale, but that rule never seems to be enforced).

 

[Swedish Borg]

There actually are people who have a particular damage to their brain where they can no longer feel emotions. These people make lots of decisions that we would consider irrational. For example, they might choose to drive dangerously and not buckle their seat belt because they are missing the fear that leads to a reflexive desire for self-preservation.

When it comes down to it, in the real world, emotions and "logic" cannot be disentangled.

This means that Data's "psychology" is completely alien to ours, as we couldn't possibly function without emotions. And makes me wonder as to how he could even be admitted into Starfleet. You have an android of unknown psychology, allegedly without emotion and you're going to entrust him in a system based on punishment and reward? You don't even know if either of these will have any effect on him. Then again the way Starfleet works, it should fall apart in a matter of weeks.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

We're told that Data doesn't have emotions again and again... but the truth is he's not played like someone without emotion, not at all. He's played like someone with Asperger's Syndrome.

Ironically the kid in "Hero Worship" does a better impression of what Data is purported to be than Spiner himself. Is it misdirection or Spiner deliberately including emotion? I can't believe it's bad acting since Spiner is a pretty good actor.

There's another possibility, maybe they realized that if they played Data without emotion people would have trouble relating to him, so they cheated and created this mishmash or a character that smiles all the time, changes his tone of voice depending on the circumstances, but is sort of awkward around people, and often seems like a fish out of water;... And keep making silly mistakes and silly assumptions.

And when people who don't know better see this, they tell themselves: "This is what an android is supposed to be like."

Or it's deliberately running closer to Spock, the breakout character from the previous show who was also constantly described as having no emotion even though that very clearly wasnt true.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Or it's deliberately running closer to Spock, the breakout character from the previous show who was also constantly described as having no emotion even though that very clearly wasn't true.

I think Spock is a superior character.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Or it's deliberately running closer to Spock, the breakout character from the previous show who was also constantly described as having no emotion even though that very clearly wasnt true.

Yes, quite so.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Yes, quite so.

Like when Spock was clearly upset that Kirk and Bones would be overly pleased with themselves.

 

[fireproof78]

Largely because Nimoy said he played Spock as someone who always kept his emotions under extreme control, not emotionless.

 

[1001001]

At a convention one time someone asked Brent Spiner how you play a character that has no emotions.

His response was “You don’t. You play a character who is pretending he doesn’t have emotions.”

 

[Swedish Borg]

At a convention one time someone asked Brent Spiner how you play a character that has no emotions.

His response was “You don’t. You play a character who is pretending he doesn’t have emotions.”

I knew Spiner was aware of this.

 

[yIH HoD]

TNG: Nemesis is not that bad(I don't say it's great, just not THAT bad). Troi should be treated better and she should be with Tom Riker(another character who deserve better).
DS9: I just don't like Sisko. He isn't in my top 3 captain list and I never like Brooks's acting. But I still like all other DS9 characters.

Haven't seen other series for a long time so I can't recall any opinion of them.

 

[Seal87]

Well I don't like most of the Kurtzman produced Star Trek. That gets me in a lot of trouble on facebook when I say so. Most well verse Trek fans I know share this opinion, but harsh backlash in some platforms seems to make it count as a controversial opinion.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Well I don't like most of the Kurtzman produced Star Trek. That gets me in a lot of trouble on facebook when I say so. Most well verse Trek fans I know share this opinion, but harsh backlash in some platforms seems to make it count as a controversial opinion.

Which ones are Kurtzman's?

 

[FormerLurker]

(except serving Romulan Ale, but that rule never seems to be enforced)

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