Unseen TOS....

[Henoch]

^^ That looks like he seemed to have his concept pretty well thought out from the beginning.

It looks like one of the sketches is dated "64" for 1964. Space Seed was filmed in late-1966, so, the filming model of the Botany Bay must have been built around that time frame, too. Memory Alpha says:

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• The Botany Bay model was actually designed by Matt Jefferies before he came up with the Enterprise. He described it as an "antique space freighter" and put it aside for a chance to use it in the series. (These Are the Voyages: TOS Season One)
• The effects scenes featuring the Enterprise and the Botany Bay were filmed at Film Effects of Hollywood.

more at: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/DY-100_class

 

[Scott Kellogg]

Trying to make the nacelles look more primitive, I stole these from the "USS Bonaventure" design from the TAS "Time Trap"

 

[aridas sofia]

One thing I want to avoid, for the most part, is the kit-bash look. Fans went nuts with that approach inspired by Franz Joseph blatantly just rearranging Enterprise design components. While I was initially wowed by FJ’s Star Fleet Technical Manual it soon became apparent those designs were not really fleshed out. It wouldn’t be until TWOK when we finally got a credible and fleshed out Kit-bash starship design with the Reliant.

The Franz Joseph “kit bash” idea came straight from Jefferies. He was the one who literally called the nacelles "quick change units". The Enterprise is made up of a "primary" and "secondary" hull - it couldn't be more literally modular. When you add in the fact that Franz Joseph consulted with Jefferies on Roddenberry’s Genesis II production, it’s clear he had the benefit of discussing what he was doing with Jefferies himself. He understood what Jefferies intended. Indeed, Jefferies himself sketched a design with the Enterprise saucer and two nacelles “stuck” on top.

https://www.trekcore.com/specials/albums/sketches/STTOS_Sketch_EnterpriseConcept10.jpg

 

[Warped9]

Trying to make the nacelles look more primitive, I stole these from the "USS Bonaventure" design from the TAS "Time Trap"

I can see you put the Tholian ship in there as well.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

When you add in the fact that Franz Joseph consulted with Jefferies on Roddenberry’s Genesis II production, it’s clear he had the benefit of discussing what he was doing with Jefferies himself. He understood what Jefferies intended.

OK I totally didn’t know Franz Joseph worked on Genesis II!

 

[tesral]

Only these well known Jefferies' sketches. Note that he originally called it an antique or obsolete "tramp freighter".

There is room for two rows of containers.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Only these well known Jefferies' sketches. Note that he originally called it an antique or obsolete "tramp freighter".

Man, the submarine jumping off point couldn't be more clear, there.

 

[aridas sofia]

Man, the submarine jumping off point couldn't be more clear, there.

As Winchell Chung found, people were speculating about launching submarines into space a few years before Star Trek first aired:

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/images/reactionlessdrive/analog.jpg

“Artwork by John Schoenherr. Analog Magazine June 1960. Skate class submarine converted into a spacecraft with a Dean Drive. Note coolant tank below submarine.”

 

[Scott Kellogg]

I can see you put the Tholian ship in there as well.

Well, I was going for a kitbash of the only other TOS ship that was canon: The Space cruiser Aurora...

 

[Scott Kellogg]

Just thinking:
In "Way to Eden" they kitbashed the Tholian ship into the Aurora by putting nacelles from the AMT Enterprise onto the hull, attached with bits of the Klingon Battle Cruiser. Now, I can't find any good pictures of the kitbashed model, but it seems to me that they've put 6 outsized intercoolers projecting from the nacelles. Seems to me that if you're going for a less advanced-previous generation nacelle design, that might be something you'd want to consider. Perhaps with the 1st Pilot end cap design from "The Cage?"

 

[Warped9]

^^ Actually if you look at the nacelles of my Antares you’ll something along those lines.

I am working on an idea for the Astral Queen and I should have something to show soon. I again used the idea of cutting and shaping a form out of a block of wood then adding bits and pieces to it. I can say it’s quite different from my first attempt. And from the side the silhouette even sort of echoes the idea of a boat. I quickly looked at some pics of tramp steamers for a general sense of concept. I’ve ditched the quad nacelle arrangement and gone back to a twin setup.

If this works out then either my Antares miniature or the Astral Queen could also serve later as the Beagle from “Bread And Circuses” and/or the Diedre from “Friday’s Child.”

 

[Warped9]

Here we go. It's still early goings, but I feel better about this one.

 

[Kahloke]

Here we go. It's still early goings, but I feel better about this one.

I *really* dig this. You can almost hear Jim Kirk say “Give me a mitre saw, and a star to steer her by...”

 

[Albertese]

This immediately makes me think of the warships in the beginning of the movie The Fifth Element.

--Alex

 

[Warped9]

This immediately makes me think of the warships in the beginning of the movie The Fifth Element.

--Alex

I’m blanking. I know I saw the film ages ago, but I also remember exclaiming WTF often enough during it and not making any effort whatsoever to remember the movie.

I remember flying taxis, Bruce Willis, Gary Oldman, a blue alien with bricks in her gut, and then it gets weirder and blurry.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Its styling was a very... European, for lack of a better description. I was personally memorized by it, simply because I had never seen anything quite like it before, either in story or characterization. Zorg and Ruby Rhod were a little over the top for me, but the music in that movie was freakin' amazing!

 

[Dukhat]

Only these well known Jefferies' sketches. Note that he originally called it an antique or obsolete "tramp freighter".

Interesting. So the idea that this was a freighter a la the Woden came before the idea that this was a 20th century sleeper ship...

 

[StarCruiser]

Not quite like the Earth ship in The 5th Element...

https://modelermagic.com/the-5th-el...yer-scratch-build-by-cecile-lhuissier-of-ssf/

 

[Warped9]

It's taking shape. A few more small elements to go then colouring. For something that would barely be seen I'm trying to resist getting fancy or adding too much detail. Of course, I didn’t want it to look like a boat, but I wanted it to maybe evoke something familiar. I also hoped the ship’s general purpose might also telegraph from the shape, suggesting a transport of cargo and people.



Hmm… Maybe there should be a book, a collection of short stories called Tales Of The Astral Queen. Sounds like pulp sci-fi.

 

[Albertese]

Not quite like the Earth ship in The 5th Element...

https://modelermagic.com/the-5th-el...yer-scratch-build-by-cecile-lhuissier-of-ssf/

Throw some nacelles on the Fifth Element ship... I'm not saying it's an intentional copy, just that it reminds me...

--Alex