For the rebuttal, Joseph Sisko
Spoilers The Way of the Warrior. Was it really a good idea for Sisko to get Worf?
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This was settled by the fact that the real Martok didn't recognize Worf. How could he not recognize the man who had taken his son's dagger and later divulged his plan to invade Cardassia?
Ooooo, you have me there sir - question becomes how did WotW Martok fake the blood test? Presumably we are effectively both right in so much as at that stage of the episode it is the real Martok and he is then replaced before Worf gets to embarrassing the shit out of his son?
In reality it is obviously a mistake by TPTB when writing In Purgatory's Shadow/By Inferno's Light - for an in universe answer, has anyone got a better one than mine as, quite frankly, mine is a bit wank
Edit: Just had a trip through Memory Alpha and I see why the Joseph Sisko video was posted above. Half explained mystery type job with that being the closest to an explanation that can be managed.
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Way of the Warrior Parts 1 and 2 I just dont like. They made Martok to look like a cranky dude being bothered by both Sisko and Worf.
First the thing with that one Klingon officer slowing down Kassidy Yates. Martok didnt have a choice but to kill the dude.For what? Klingon pride or whatever?
then the 2nd time is when Martoks son was sort of being a nuisance at Quarks bar. Worf pretty much started a stupid fight that he should have minded his own business anyway.
Stuff that went on in Way of the Warrior i was getting tired of
First the thing with that one Klingon officer slowing down Kassidy Yates. Martok didnt have a choice but to kill the dude.For what? Klingon pride or whatever?
then the 2nd time is when Martoks son was sort of being a nuisance at Quarks bar. Worf pretty much started a stupid fight that he should have minded his own business anyway.
Stuff that went on in Way of the Warrior i was getting tired of
When you think about it it's amazing how long Martok was able to survive fighting jems in a ring.... I mean it was nearly two years... After a few weeks, Worf looked like he had been in a train wreck...
I really like how the writers kept it ambiguous throughout the series whether the blood tests were effective at identifying changelings. Perhaps Joseph Sisko really is a changeling and is having a great time laughing to himself at the solids as he tells them how useless their test is.
They aren't like the T1000, as far as we know they don't need physical contact to impersonate someone.
But even if they did, any Changeling that had been in the Link would know all it needs to. The ocean shares.
Well, I am guessing that at least one of them had to get pretty close to O'Brien and observe his behavior. It's not enough to look like someone, you have to behave and sound like them too. Then that changeling had to report back to the big puddle of goo in the gamma quadrant and then one had to emerge from it and get back to Earth. So my point is still valid.
Is it possible that when Odo linked in The Search that they got the info needed? Not intentionally of course?
Could then tweak through Intel updates maybe?
Come to think of it, the Dominion probably had infiltrators in Cardassia before "Paradise Lost" that could get them the recordings of O'Brien's trial in "Tribunal". I'm sure the detention and trial had long enough recordings that a changeling could practice imitating him with fair success.
Odo doesn't know how to copy a human face so I doubt he'd be capable of conveying the necessary info to the other changelings.
You're acting like they paste a photo of someone's face over their own. I think you're underestimating their abilities. These beings can replicate an object so well that a tricorder scan sees only the impersonated object. They can be fog, plasma, people, or creatures capable of travel through space. Objects both smaller and bigger than their own natural selves.
I don't know how to make an iPhone but I'm sure I could provide sufficient information on aesthetics to someone who did for them to make a facsimile.
All they need from Odo is his memory of what O'brien looks like, what his personality is like.
The Link has been shown to be immersive beyond the conscious level so all the small details would be picked up too.
I don't think so. The female changeling linked with Odo but failed to anticipate his change of heart about Kira. If the link were truly telepathic, she would know everything he knows.
You're just starting to get on my tits now - not for anything you have actually done but because I literally only rewatched some of these episodes last week and your memory of them is significantly better than mine.
Twat! ;p
There's a big difference between knowing/feeling what someone remembers and what decisions they will make in the future. Otherwise you could argue just as easily that Odo should have been able to predict everything the Changelings did. Moreover, you can be deceptive while in the Link.
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