Spoilers "Superman & Lois" Season 1 spoiler discussion!

[JD]

I watched the last couple episodes yesterday, and really enjoyed them both.
I was a little surprised they had Lois figure out that Irons wasn't who he said he was so quickly. I had assumed they'd be working together for at least a few episodes before she realized he was lying to her.
I've been really liking how they're handling Jordan's powers developing.
The big Irons reveal was a huge surprise, I had thought there was a pretty good chance wasn't going Lex Luthor, but it never occurred to me that he might not be a Luthor at all.
I'm curious if they'll be able to convince him Superman Prime isn't going to turn the his Earth's Superman did, and get him to help them.

 

[Mudd]

That's how to do a hide-in-plain-sight surprise reveal.

Kurtzman, Goldsman and assorted STD writers, take notes; this will be on the quiz and will count toward your final grade.

 

[Tuskin38]

That's how to do a hide-in-plain-sight surprise reveal.

Kurtzman, Goldsman and assorted STD writers, take notes; this will be on the quiz and will count toward your final grade.

Do you need to take every opportunity to bash DSC? It's real freaking annoying.

And DSC did do it well.

 

[thribs]

Do you need to take every opportunity to bash DSC? It's real freaking annoying.

And DSC did do it well.

Are you talking about Lorca? We all saw it coming.

 

[Mudd]

Not only Lorca - who everyone saw coming* - but Ash/Voq, who was called out online before Ash ever appeared onscreen, due to the genius assumption on the part of TPTB that fans would not notice and could not make simple inferences from casting information posted online. I mean, you can just invent an actor and no one who's not in the business will look them up or have any idea what to make of the fact that there is no record of them ever having existed.


*Actually, I didn't. The entire idea was just so stupid and clearly fanfic that I didn't think they'd go there.

 

[thribs]

I think Frakes saying they were going to the mirror universe gave that one away. I was hoping it wasn’t true as he was the only character I liked.

 

[Mudd]

Yeah, but the reasoning was idiotic - "they're going to the Mirror Universe - this explains the fact that the ship's captain is an asshole!"

Because, you know, no assholes in Starfleet. We're all perfect people, here.

Nothing about Lorca's story ever made sense, anyway.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I'm so glad I'm not watching this show. Completely missing the point of a character really isn't an "interesting idea". At this rate I can't wait to see Eradicator introduced as a Kryptonian hating werewolf, or Cyborg Superman showing up as a normal human who loves Superman. Maybe Connor Kent will show up but he'll be a powerless clone of Lois Lane and Lena Luthor, or they'll introduce Krypto but he's a powerless hamster.

All kinds of things "interesting" things can happen when the people in charge actively hate Superman and the world around him.

It is not the comic (which has several different version of Superman since his debut), nor is it even a true "inspired by" version.

But John Henry want's Clark's woman.

This.

He's not going to suddenly stop doing the stalker stare because he's brought to his senses, or helps Superman. He knows Lois has a husband and kids, and still obsesses on her, and that kind of behavior does not just fade away.

 

[thribs]

Yeah, but the reasoning was idiotic - "they're going to the Mirror Universe - this explains the fact that the ship's captain is an asshole!"

Because, you know, no assholes in Starfleet. We're all perfect people, here.

Nothing about Lorca's story ever made sense, anyway.

It wasn’t so much his overall behaviour but the little things like the markings he had on his back and his reaction to Cornwall when they slept together.

 

[Mudd]

It wasn’t so much his overall behaviour but the little things like the markings he had on his back and his reaction to Cornwall when they slept together.

None of which required anything other than the trauma and experiences already attributed to his character to explain or to understand.

You know, if there was any reality to these characters as people, at all, Cornwall should have had about a hundred more plausible and essential reasons and opportunities to notice that he was not the man she'd known for years, given that she was fucking him.

Jesus, had the first-year writers even met people?

Major stupid, there.

 

[The Realist]

None of which required anything other than the trauma and experiences already attributed to his character to explain or to understand.

Lorca was much more interesting when I believed he really was a traumatized and morally damaged Starfleet officer. The reveal was a disappointment that turned an intriguing character into a cartoon.

 

[Christopher]

Lorca was much more interesting when I believed he really was a traumatized and morally damaged Starfleet officer. The reveal was a disappointment that turned an intriguing character into a cartoon.

Whereas I realized that they'd always been telling us exactly what an immoral jerk he was, but they'd left us room to rationalize his behavior as the result of wartime trauma or hard compromises or whatever. I bought into it as much as anyone at the time, but after the truth came out, I realized how I'd been maneuvered into fooling myself. In retrospect, the show had never hidden what he truly was -- a man who'd torture sentient space creatures and abandon both Harry Mudd and Admiral Cornwell to die in Klingon prisons. They didn't "turn him into" anything he wasn't clearly shown to be all along. We just really, really wanted to invent sympathetic excuses for his blatantly evil actions, because we thought he'd be more interesting that way. Or maybe it was a fictional version of the Milgram experiment -- because he was an authority figure, we were predisposed to trust that he was justified in the evil things he did.


Anyway, back on topic (how the heck did we get onto Lorca?)... while I'm glad that the Stranger turned out to be Irons/Steel, it bugs me that his armor suit looks more like a Luthor combat suit -- which of course it was evidently meant to be when they made the pilot, and in-story it actually was intended to be one and Irons took it for himself for whatever reason. But once he reforms, I hope they modify the suit into something a bit closer to the comics' version. Not with a human face on the helmet, but just something less Luthor-ish.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Jesus, had the first-year writers even met people?

I recall one of those first-year writers saying proudly that Disco is the best first season of any Trek show, including the original. Well, it isn't. Not by a light-year.

As for Superman and Lois... I love the show a lot. But I'm super tired of the Evil Superman storylines that seem to be pervasive recently in comics, movies, and now TV. I am not looking forward at all to the Injustice adaptation.

The reveal of John Henry Irons was well done, in any case.

 

[thribs]

Yeah, why is it always Superman who is evil? Why not Batman? That makes way more sense to me

 

[dupersuper]

I just saw the Shaq movie a couple of weeks ago. Weird

You watched it voluntarily? That is weird.

Yeah, why is it always Superman who is evil? Why not Batman? That makes way more sense to me

May I direct you to Dark Knights Metal...?

 

[Skipper]

Excuse me, where is the thread dedicated to Superman & Lois? Thanks.

 

[thribs]

LoL! The Lorca chat was barely a page. No need to get worked up.

 

[Mudd]

They didn't "turn him into" anything he wasn't clearly shown to be all along.

Which isn't what was being said, so is irrelevant.

Real "evil" human beings have motivations as individuals. If they're well written and portrayed they are relatable as people.

As I've already said, Trek's MU people are cartoonish We All Evul!!! critters.

I recall one of those first-year writers saying proudly that Disco is the best first season of any Trek show, including the original. Well, it isn't. Not by a light-year.

That one couldn't write a coherent Tweet, much less a script.

 

[Skipper]

LoL! The Lorca chat was barely a page.

Do you want to bet on it?

 

[Marc]

Lots of talk about David Ramsey and his appearances in other related shows post Arrow but nothing about his directing but noticed he was listed as directory for this week's ep.
(unless some-one mentioned this already and I missed it).