Kinda sums up TLJ, easily my favourite from the ST. On one level the decision to split the main trio up like that was a bad one, but on the other it left the focus on Rey and sorta gives up on the trio idea, which is how I'd have liked it from the get-go. TLJ was the highest highs and lowest lows.
Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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Kinda sums up TLJ, easily my favourite from the ST. On one level the decision to split the main trio up like that was a bad one, but on the other it left the focus on Rey and sorta gives up on the trio idea, which is how I'd have liked it from the get-go. TLJ was the highest highs and lowest lows.
Trying to remember a scene where Rey falls down into a hole in the ground and learns stuff about herself. Was it TLJ or ROS?
It makes more sense than "One star system's worth of planets got destroyed, ergo, the First Order, which has just lost its main base of operations, has managed to take over the galaxy just about literally overnight..."
He asked for a squadron to assist him, and Riker got a squadron to show up and assist him.
I know but that was a ridiculous amount of ships that showed up. Not to mention all of the same type.
According to what metric?
The Star Trek metric. At least vary the ships if you’re going to have that many.
Ah yes. Tease fans with two of the biggest honkin' fleets ever seen on screen - in the final Star Wars movie no less - and then... don't have an epic space battle (thanks, Palps). Gotta love them subverted expectations.
At least we have Rogue One for at least one decent fleet-to-fleet engagement.
Speaking of TROS Disney+ has apparently removed the blue filter from their streaming copy of the film changing how it looks and has now redone the Force Ghost communication scene with Rey with each Jedi's voice now being correctly identified.
That’s interesting. They have already remastered it.
There was a fan edit only that uses the force ghosts as well as their voices which was pretty cool.
Ah yes. Tease fans with two of the biggest honkin' fleets ever seen on screen - in the final Star Wars movie no less - and then... don't have an epic space battle (thanks, Palps). Gotta love them subverted expectations.
At least we have Rogue One for at least one decent fleet-to-fleet engagement.
That looks actually pretty good
You can't use the methodology of one franchise to judge another completely different franchise.
Much like Luke, Leia and Han in Empire, which is what they were going for. Luke and Han were in no scenes together after their goodbyes on Hoth. The difference is Luke's solo plot had purpose and drive. TLJ and TROS squandered Finn, a character with amazing potential.
The Last Jedi tried to at least be different and give audiences unexpected twists and reversals. It was a dark film and unpredictable.
I never understood the criticism of Snoke. We don't know anymore about the Emperor in Return of the Jedi when he's thrown into the bowels of the Death Star than we do Snoke when Ben kills him. Everything we know about the Emperor was gleaned from the novelization in 1983 and later films and media. At the time, he was just this cackling old dude because the film needed a villain to kill and a way to redeem Vader. Let's not pretend that the Star Wars "Skywalker" saga has more than 2 good movies. All of the franchise's goodwill comes from Star Wars and Empire.
For all of the griping over Lucas' revisionism of his own work, at least the original trilogy (even the PT) had a loose overall idea of where it wanted to go. The ST was stop and go piecemeal filmmaking. That's fine when films are unrelated chapters like James Bond films or even the Star Trek movies, but if you're telling the epic story of a group of people trying to fee the galaxy, maybe you wanna have an outline drawn up and some arcs.
Finn was the biggest disappointment in the ST. He was set up to be so much more.
Can you not make false generalities, especially when the people who hate one or more pieces of the Saga are a factually proven minority?
I agree on this point. I thoroughly enjoy the ST and think TLJ is fantastic as a film. But, TROS didn't quite know how to build it up.
I think Poe was ultimately unnecessary and much of his time could be given to Finn.
For me the best of the sequel trilogy was TFA sure it's a retread of ANH in many respects but it was at least fun I'll give them a bye once for retreating old ground, TLJ tried to redo some elements of TESB with wanting to turn Rey to the dark side, Ben wanting Rey to join him and over throw Snoke, the excursion to the casino seemed to serve little real purpose aside from giving Poe and Finn something to do as for TROS it tried it's best to cobble together something to end the saga but re-introducing Palpatine out of no where was not really good storytelling, if you want to bring him back by all means but introduce that someone else is pulling the strings in an earlier film. But having to bring him back comes down to the killing of Snoke in TLJ as you need the big bad unless you want to use Ben as the big bad. Yes I know the force is space magic but seemingly teleporting lightsabres is pushing it a bit far.
Well, how factually?
I find them both equally plausible. And, I never thought of Starkiller as the main base of operations either. Hux says that the Senate would be destroyed and the Republic's fleet. So, it wasn't just one planet.
