Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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Dr Strange at least dodged the issue of Strange being a "Mighty Whitey" of becoming a Master despite being there less than the students by having the Sorcerer's Order be multi-ethnical to begin with. So it wasn't "White Guy shows up and becomes better at things than all the nonwhites" since there were other white folks there to begin with.
Plus Wong and Mordo are shown to be his equals more than anything.
Unfortunately this didn't occur to the Iron Fist showrunners.
Plus Wong and Mordo are shown to be his equals more than anything.
Unfortunately this didn't occur to the Iron Fist showrunners.
No, he's not saying he didn't think the matter through; he's saying he thought it through, and came to the wrong conclusion. It's certainly possible to overthink things to your own detriment. See: the idiotic secrecy around Khan being in Into Darkness, which likely contributed to casting a white actor for a non-white role. More thinking doesn't in of itself guarantee coming to the correct conclusion.
And yet, he doesn't say what answer he should have gone with.
And actually having the courage and clarity to admit he was wrong puts him well ahead of a lot of other people. It's the necessary first step to doing better in the future.
Why should he? It's water under the bridge. What matters is not dwelling on what decisions should've been made years ago, but focusing on what better decisions should be made in the years ahead.
It's ironic considering they already faced a similar problem with The Mandarin in 'Iron Man 3', and the solution wasn't "cast a white person" but an Englishman of Gujarati Indian decent, and also turn the whole concept of the character on it's head. That worked since it was at least interesting.
In the case of The Ancient One, I felt like if they wanted her to be an ancient Celt, then they should have leaned into that a little harder rather than have her affect the dress and mannerisms of the Asian stereotype they were attempting to avoid. Also, if you're going to still try and somehow honour a less problematic version of that character by making Agamotto the Ancient One's predecessor, (teacher?) and founder of the order then maybe actually depict him is a flashback or portrait or statue or something?
In the case of The Ancient One, I felt like if they wanted her to be an ancient Celt, then they should have leaned into that a little harder rather than have her affect the dress and mannerisms of the Asian stereotype they were attempting to avoid. Also, if you're going to still try and somehow honour a less problematic version of that character by making Agamotto the Ancient One's predecessor, (teacher?) and founder of the order then maybe actually depict him is a flashback or portrait or statue or something?
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They could have cast someone like Lou Diamond Phillips or my daughters!
We can't cast the role as Asian because that'd be a stereotype.
We can't cast someone else in the role because that'd be whitewashing.
Almost any combination of ethnic mentor, white student is a trope at this point, the most famous being:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalNegro
Made worse here because the it's literal and not figurative magic.
Dave Bautista say's he's done with "Guardians" after Vol 3
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...of-the-galaxy-shirtless-scenes-161106134.html
Awhile back there were some reports that Gunn wants to change the lineup of the Guardians as they evolve/grow.
What if Drax dies in the next movie? He could echo a line from Iron Man 1 with Yinsen
"I'm going to see my wife and daughter...."
Also Bautista has been very vocal about leaving "Guardians" due to Disney.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...of-the-galaxy-shirtless-scenes-161106134.html
Awhile back there were some reports that Gunn wants to change the lineup of the Guardians as they evolve/grow.
What if Drax dies in the next movie? He could echo a line from Iron Man 1 with Yinsen
"I'm going to see my wife and daughter...."
Also Bautista has been very vocal about leaving "Guardians" due to Disney.
Gunn has also hinted he's done after Volume 3 because he'll have completed the stories he set out to tell.
He said on social media it would be his last Marvel movie also. I guess we will see more DC movies from him in future.
Sure, but simply being a black mentor doesn't make someone a Magical Negro, not if they don't fit the other aspects of the trope. It's all in the execution.
Comparing apples to apples, feature films depicting superheroes that were created as white seem to be right in line with their television brethren.
I'm not sure what you're saying. If you're saying it's normal to for film or TV to keep white characters white, that hasn't been the case for quite a few years. The list of white characters played by actors of color is quite long now.
And we're talking about a movie where both the Ancient One and Mordo had their ethnicities changed; why should it be any harder to change the title character's ethnicity? Especially if the goal was to avoid the white savior/ethnic mentor cliche.
That's the story I heard.
I'm talking more the bug guns. Sure, sidekicks, villains and significant others seem to be fair game.
The problem seems to be with Batman, Superman, Flash, Green Arrow, Spider-Man, Hulk, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, and so forth. The A and B listers.
I'm thinking Dr. Strange being a bigger gun as it were was almost never going to be considered anything but white.
At this very moment, this is changing a bit with Supergirl and Hawkman and hopefully Superman, but that's still not on the screen just yet.
Oh, Doctor Strange was anything but a big gun as far as the general moviegoing audience was concerned. He was one of those characters who were less well-known until the movies made him well-known, like Iron Man, Thor, and Ant-Man.
Yeah, I think Ike Perlmutter still had sway over the MCU when Strange was cast, and he was the main obstacle to moving beyond white male leads. Still, I'm just speaking hypothetically about what would have been a better solution, not suggesting it was likely to happen at the time. After all, there's only one version of what did happen, so any discussion of alternatives is abstract.
You say it's a problem that those characters will stay white, but think of all the new characters that wouldn't exist if the original heroes had been race swapped. No Miles Morales, Jon Stewart, Kamala Khan, or Isaiah Bradley to name a few.