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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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That's been my thought, since we only saw a fairly small group in Capt. Marvel.
I haven't read it yet, but from what I've read about it online the invasion in the comics is lead by the Skrulls' queen, Veranke, so perhaps it could be that Talos' faction broke off from the rest of the Skrulls before they arrived on Earth, and now Veranke's more hostile faction has arrived.

Or it could be the other way around. CM portrayed the Skrulls as a people oppressed by the Kree. Some victims of oppression just want to get away and live in peace, but oppression also generates resistance, which often escalates to the point of extremism or fanaticism. The Secret Invasion could be the work of a extremist splinter faction within the Skrulls, with Talos representing the mainstream.
 
This post on page 3 of the thread from 7 years ago hasn't aged well. Who knew?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/variet...pider-man-no-way-home-doc-ock-1234953527/amp/

Well, yes and no. It's still not in the same continuity, i.e. the same single, continuing history. It's from an alternative history that's crossing over with the MCU through multiversal shenanigans. The current trend is to treat separate continuities as sharing a larger metacontinuity while still being their own distinct universes and histories.
 
This post on page 3 of the thread from 7 years ago hasn't aged well. Who knew?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/variet...pider-man-no-way-home-doc-ock-1234953527/amp/
I think the basic point stands in the context in which it was made. We even got a literal example of this in the last movie when J.K. Simmons showed up playing the MCU's version of J. Jonah Jameson, not the Rami version. (I mean I guess it's possible that he'll turn out to be a multiverse hopper or some-such, but I doubt it.) The point wasn't that such a casting *can't* have a connection to another continuity, just that their presence doesn't necessitate it. In the case of Molina; they're deliberately and explicitly doing a multiverse thing. Apples and horses, cart before the orange etc. etc.
 
Or it could be the other way around. CM portrayed the Skrulls as a people oppressed by the Kree. Some victims of oppression just want to get away and live in peace, but oppression also generates resistance, which often escalates to the point of extremism or fanaticism. The Secret Invasion could be the work of a extremist splinter faction within the Skrulls, with Talos representing the mainstream.
That's a good point. I was basing it on the idea that if they had Queen Veranke as the villain that would mean they would have to be the mainstream Skrulls, but Talos' nicer group could have overthrown them and taken over.
 
I wonder if we'll get Super Skrull before he gets the procedures to become the Super Skrull(since no Fantastic 4 in the MCU yet)
 
That's a good point. I was basing it on the idea that if they had Queen Veranke as the villain that would mean they would have to be the mainstream Skrulls, but Talos' nicer group could have overthrown them and taken over.

No, that's not what I'm proposing. Again, CM showed that the Kree had destroyed the Skrull homeworld and driven the survivors into exile. I doubt there is such a thing as a "mainstream" Skrull government anymore. There are just various refugees, most of whom probably just want to get away and find peace, but some of whom may have become militant and desire vengeance.
 
This is the full official trailer that came out months ago:

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Hugh Jackman wants to be in Deadpool 3. He enlists the help of New York police officers to get his point across

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No, that's not what I'm proposing. Again, CM showed that the Kree had destroyed the Skrull homeworld and driven the survivors into exile. I doubt there is such a thing as a "mainstream" Skrull government anymore. There are just various refugees, most of whom probably just want to get away and find peace, but some of whom may have become militant and desire vengeance.
Oh, I forgot they destroyed their homeworld, I was thinking Talos' group had just left after they fought the Kree.
 
Keep in mind it's also been 30 years since Captain Marvel happened and we have no idea what happened in the interim other than Talos and a few others working for Nick Fury on mostly unknown things.

It's entirely possible Talos's group (maybe even Talos himself) just aren't the good guys anymore, or that at least some of them aren't.
 
Oh, I forgot they destroyed their homeworld, I was thinking Talos' group had just left after they fought the Kree.

But wasn't that the backstory of Secret Invasion in the comics -- that the Skrulls wanted Earth as a new homeworld to replace the one they lost? I'm just saying that, while that version of the story had the queen in charge, this version doesn't necessarily have to be the same. There are already a ton of differences between the MCU and the comics, so they can always make more changes to suit their own version of things.
 
But wasn't that the backstory of Secret Invasion in the comics -- that the Skrulls wanted Earth as a new homeworld to replace the one they lost?
I'm not sure, the only thing I remember from the stuff I read online was that the Skrulls invaded Earth and they were lead by their Queen Veranke, who had replaced Jessica Drew/Spider-Woman, and that Norman Osburne killed her and that was what set off his Dark Reign.
I'm just saying that, while that version of the story had the queen in charge, this version doesn't necessarily have to be the same. There are already a ton of differences between the MCU and the comics, so they can always make more changes to suit their own version of things.
I know, but all we have to base our guesses on right now is the comics.
Eveangeline Lilly posted on Instagram that she had her fitting for Quantumania yesterday, so it looks like things are moving ahead there. As you probably already guessed, she isn't allow to post pictures.
 
I know, but all we have to base our guesses on right now is the comics.

Not at all. We have the MCU itself and its established backstory and worldbuilding, which lets us conjecture how a new element might fit into it. That's what I'm doing -- speculating based on what Captain Marvel established about the Skrulls and how a Secret Invasion story might fit into that context. If we presume that Talos's group represents the Skrull mainstream, it reasonably follows that any villainous Skrull faction might be an extremist minority. Of course, it's conceivable that it could be the other way around, but there was nothing in the movie to suggest that, and when it comes to speculating about the MCU, the MCU itself should always be the primary basis.
 
Here we go...

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To sum up:
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever 8th July 2022
The Marvels (formerly Captain Marvel 2) 11th November 2022
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania 23rd February 2023
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 5th May 2023
Fantastic Four... ???
 
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