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Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

You know I can't buy trying to make Karli seem sympathetic when she is burning three people alive and making supervillain rants while plotting to murder people.
 
I actually don't see that as all that overdone. It's obviously a good idea to practice catching the shield even while both you and it are moving, potentially in ways that don't allow you to keep your eye on it 100% of the time. Maybe he didn't have to be so gymnastic to do that, but gymnastics are a fairly simple and easy way to do it without having to set up tons of equipment.
LOL! Well, great idea to practice catching while moving. I'd love to see someone training to catch a Frisbee that way, or a football. ;)
The GRC is actively trying to force people back to where they used to live before the snap and that is a big part of where the whole refugee crisis is coming from.
I remember, God it was thirty years ago now, when the Berlin wall came down. Germans that had made it to the West wanted to reclaim property and apartments, often still with contents. Meanwhile East Germans had made their homes there for generations. I don't remember exactly how it played out, but this did have a real world resonance for me.
 
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You know I can't buy trying to make Karli seem sympathetic when she is burning three people alive and making supervillain rants while plotting to murder people.

Same reason people still could find Magneto sympathetic despite all he did.
 
You know I can't buy trying to make Karli seem sympathetic when she is burning three people alive and making supervillain rants while plotting to murder people.

Well, the showrunners do have another 50+ minutes. Will Karli make some sort of sacrifice after more on-screen self-analysis? Will she reach a "this has gone too far" moment, or will she be killed off (by the Power Broker) the very moment she seems to back down, only to be seen as a total pawn of the Power Broker, who reveals HERself to Sam and Bucky in the last frame of the season?

Wherever this goes, someone who needs more attention is series director Kari Skogland; she has done a superb job with this content, and it has to be a no-brainer that she would helm any future stories about TF&TWS.

I can't help but wonder if Sam telling Torres to keep the Falcon suit was a reference to the fact that he is the second Falcon in the comics, and a hint that he could be headed that way too.

Good catch--I thought about that as soon as Sam gave him the wings.
 
I thought it was a good episode but will be disappointed if Zemo's story is done. I mean if this was all they were going to use him for why even bother. I also look forward to the sky beam ending. Only this sky beam will be a transporter beaming Sam and Bucky up to the moon base to say goodbye by to old man Steve Rogers and Old Lady Peggy Carter with robot Phil Coulson in charge of the base.
 
I'm seeing a lot of people saying that JLD is in 'Black Widow' as well. Is that something that's been confirmed anywhere or just an assumption?

Interestingly, if it is true that would mean in a Covid-free world this would have been intended as her second appearance.

It's reported by Vanity Fair (I linked it upthread) so it should be true.

JLD is not in the IMDB cast list for the movie. They're done filming and JLD is hardly a big enough name to try and surprise us with
 
I thought it was a good episode but will be disappointed if Zemo's story is done. I mean if this was all they were going to use him for why even bother. I also look forward to the sky beam ending. Only this sky beam will be a transporter beaming Sam and Bucky up to the moon base to say goodbye by to old man Steve Rogers and Old Lady Peggy Carter with robot Phil Coulson in charge of the base.
I have to wonder - now that Zemo is interned in Wakanda; if they're going to have Zemo - either accidently, or as some sort of mis-guided 'revenge' because BP didn't allow Zemo to kill himself at the nd of CA:Civil War) - be the one who killed/if framed forthe muder of T'Challa <-- IE - he's the 'plot device' that drives whatever story they do to explain the death of T'Challa in the MCU.
 
I have to wonder - now that Zemo is interned in Wakanda; if they're going to have Zemo - either accidently, or as some sort of mis-guided 'revenge' because BP didn't allow Zemo to kill himself at the nd of CA:Civil War) - be the one who killed/if framed forthe muder of T'Challa <-- IE - he's the 'plot device' that drives whatever story they do to explain the death of T'Challa in the MCU.
She said they were sending Zemo to the Raft, the supervillain prison in the middle of the ocean from Civil War. They didn't take him back to prison in Wakanda.
 
While it's great we might see more Zemo I am worried that this idea of just using a character to set up future appearances is going to start to hurt the quality. It's now possible Zemo was used much like how Monica Rambeau was used in WandaVison. She also had very little relevant reason to be in that show. By the final episode she is basically just hanging around.
 
Ok. Now that's some quality television, right there. This was probably my favorite episode of the season.

Not quite all of our plotlines come to a head, but most of them do. Bucky finally understands where Sam was coming from, and Sam finally heeds the call that's been looming since Endgame. I absolutely loved the scene between Sam and Isaiah. Heartwrenching! Bucky's turn against Zemo was quite good as well. Zemo thinks he knows so much about everybody, but Bucky proved to be more than he believed him to be. And I'm honestly chuffed that neither Sam nor Bucky can just admit they're friends. A couple of guys indeed.

For the first time in this series, I am legitimately worried that Sharon is evil. Turning to Batroc is an alarming move, though it also wouldn't be the first time that a hero hired him to do evil things as a cover for good things to happen elsewhere. Man I hope Sharon doesn' end up being the PB. That would just suck all the energy right out of this show for me, unless there ends up being some payoff I just don't see yet.

JL Dreyfus. You know, if you'd given me 100,000 guesses I wouldn't have picked that one, and especially for the Contessa. But it does kind of work. I wonder which side she's playing. Assuming it isn't all of them, which would be very much up the character's alley. She's also a prime suspect for the PB. It might be fun if she's the new Coulson. A more sinister kind of connective tissue stringing the MCU together from the shadows.

Not going to lie, there is going to be applause when Sam shows up in his new suit next week. The build up has been beautiful, but actually seeing him appear as Captain America is going to absolutely make week.
 
JLD is not in the IMDB cast list for the movie. They're done filming and JLD is hardly a big enough name to try and surprise us with
That proves absolutely nothing. IMDb is notoriously unreliable when it comes to future productions. And yes, even though Black Widow finished production a year ago, it's still a future production.
 
That proves absolutely nothing. IMDb is notoriously unreliable when it comes to future productions. And yes, even though Black Widow finished production a year ago, it's still a future production.

I know it isn't an end-all/be-all of movie info, but I think they would list her by now if she was in the movie.
 
I know it isn't an end-all/be-all of movie info, but I think they would list her by now if she was in the movie.
Would they? The news that she would be in the movie broke today. It takes IMDb awhile to update. It's not instantaneous like wikis.

And again, IMDb is not reliable.

Hell, the Wikipedia article is under semi-protection which is why it hasn't even been updated yet.
 
Would they? The news that she would be in the movie broke today. It takes IMDb awhile to update. It's not instantaneous like wikis.

And again, IMDb is not reliable.

Hell, the Wikipedia article is under semi-protection which is why it hasn't even been updated yet.

I think Wiki is the less reliable of the two :)

Maybe JLD is in a post-credits scene if she's in there?
 
I find Wikipedia more reliable for one reason: It actually provides sources. If there isn't a good source or no source at all, I dismiss what I've read. Basic fact checking.

You can't do that with IMDb.
 
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The way they talk about Steve certainly makes it seem like there's not an 'old man Steve' they can pick-up the phone and call. So unless he dropped dead in the few months between Endgame and Falcon/Winter Soldier... Maybe he went back to his own reality.

What if he came home on the original platform before Thanos shredded it?

Which would still split the timeline?
 
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