BREAKING: Paramount Sets Top Secret Star Trek Movie For Summer 2023; To Be Produced By J.J. Abrams

I'm just wondering if everyone here is aware of the artwork from Orci's story? It is available online and I have it collected in a Facebook group. Elements of the story can be gleaned from this work, which is pretty elaborate and actually was steps away from filming. I had some conversations about this project with someone who worked on it, he told me that the crew universally preferred this movie script over Beyond. This is really interesting Star Trek lore and I look forward to this interview.



Bryan Cranston as Enlil



This reminds me of other "lost Trek", including Hawley's Trek which was also close to filming, and of course the 70s versions. I suggested one day a book would be written about these things even if they didn't come to fruition.

RAMA

Actually LG, my insiders have suggested this is possible at some point, though not a given.

 

I left a comment link to my blog to invite him to chat about Orci Trek 3, or for me to do the article for TM.com

It's not there anymore. Grrr

 

There is no need to do this, being able to carry on without "canon" implications while preserving the prime timeline was one of the greatest strokes of genius from the Bad Robot crowd.

 

ohh what's this fb group please?
Hoping TM can put the interview together, I just dropped them an email

 

Unfortunately I'm not a fan.

An STU is basically, first and foremost, What Star Trek Is Doing Now.

The last timed we had an STU was in the '90s. It was called Berman Trek. And during that phase of the franchise, EVERYTHING had to be Berman Trek.

Now I'll give you the name of somebody from ST who best embodied the opposite of that. Nick Meyer.

Meyer came in, basically said "Pfft... I don't really get most of this high-minded preachifying utopian stuff Roddenberry wants you to do. I get that this is gunboat diplomacy, the British navy, Horatio Hornblower in outer space. I'm going to give the audiences MY Star Trek."

He gave us a more analogue, more nautical and more militaristic version of Trek with No Smoking signs and fire extinguishers.

This was the perfect example (and just one example) of what would never, COULD never, happen under Rick Berman. (There was one exception; the Berman people couldn't contain Stuart Baird. But Stuart also didn't really have a vision, nor was he a great director. The studio knew it, but they also knew they were just about done spending money on ST at the time. So Berman got stuck with him).

Now Nick Meyer-style analogue/nautical/militaristic ST isn't necessarily the way. The point is to have your own vision, or interpretation, of ST... if you would really have us believe you're qualified to be making ST.

We can't tell you what that vision would be. It's your job as a film director, TV producer or writer of either medium to tell us.

I even think Bryan Fuller had an original vision for Trek. He may have been another Nick Meyer (can't really tell). Sadly the fans crucified him for it, left him to blame for all of STD's subsequent problems (luckily that no longer works after three seasons).

Now I LOVE both TNG and DS9. Roddenberry finally got HIS version of ST, even if it took better people than him to realize it. Good for him. While the DS9 people both expanded on it and challenged it. Good for them.

But the TNG movies were mostly lackluster, stylistically bland, and became increasingly focused on the universe (or Bermantrekverse) of ST which general audiences cared little about. While the subsequent TV shows were TNG-styled copies of copies.

We already had TNG. There's nothing wrong with it, but we already had it. And I don't think we needed to see that God damn "bubble" forcefield, the Prime Directive or the TNG pseudoscience technobabble suddenly start becoming regular staples of the feature films.

But everything had to be Berman Trek. Now seemingly, everything has to be Kurtzman Trek.

On paper, I think Kurtzman gets it. He has promised every ST production will have its own identity - His "speeding bullet" comparison between STD and STP for instance (I don't even remember if that was him). Plus the experimenting with Short Treks, and the different approaches taken with the animated shows. And the impression that he's generally not for traditional inside-the-box cookie cutter molds of ST - although SNW may be an exception.

However I don't yet see that STP really is that stylistically different from STD (They've even got the same composer, which to me recalls the Berman mandate that the music be uniform and unremarkable). And neither Kurtzman (the 2009 reboot movie aside) nor Akiva Goldsman have very inspiring resumes.

Mostly, they just don't seem to want to do the work. They can't come up with coherent, meaningful stories that I would call good science fiction. Not just Kurtzman/Goldsman, but the entire Kurtzman Trek machine can't do it. After four tries they can't do it. They're signalling to you they can't do it.

(LDS seems to be the exception. I'm not sure I'm all in with what it's doing, but it appears to be doing what its producer intended).

In fact Goldsman just came up with the revelation that they have to fully plan their story, and know how it ends, before they shoot the first episode. How long has he already had to figure that one out?

They can't even design memorable-looking ships for the most part, for a franchise with a long history of producing some of the most gorgeous ships.

Kurtzman Trek is What ST Is Doing Now. And no, I don't want the feature films caught up in that.

The Kelvin Trek movies have their own problems. But Paramount has previously been open to both a Tarantino Trek plus Hawley's script (not sure whether Abrams would have wound up producing that latter). So there was always at least hope of something interesting as long as the film franchise stayed separate.

But I seriously believe if Kurtzman and Goldsman inherit it, then that's gone.

 

TV Movies and Movie Movies are slowly becoming one and the same. Mainly due to the death of TV and movie theaters.

 

Where can we find the facebook group?

 

Not everyone is going to be happy with everything Secret Hideout is doing, what else is new, but currently Kurtzman is presiding over the most successful era Trek has ever had, with Discovery being the most-watched Trek incarnation over it's distributed streaming across the world in 200-odd countries, and Picard is not too far behind.

The movies made $1.6 billion-plus between box office and disc sales, against about a $1 billion in costs. While no MCU, Paramount will take this any time, which is why they never wavered in making a movie happen despite a seemingly never-ending stream of hardships, of their own making and otherwise.

Both movies and TV are critically acclaimed, and creatively have had a tremendous amount of success, though they're never perfect, as much as we'd like them to be.

Meyer is a competent director and an above-average writer, and I'd still love to see him contribute more to the work he started on the new Trek in 2016, but he is not an "idea man", and he wouldn't run the "franchise" very successfully, nor would I think he'd want to.

The biggest difference with the previous Trek era and now is that it's under the same umbrella, there is no significant reason to keep an older generation separate from the newer one, or intellectual properties and merchandising of either separate either. Combining JJ Trek and Kurtzman seems perfectly sensible and coherent. They also have a model to follow: The MCU. Berman Trek was never so integrated, even the books are closer to being that dreaded word: "canon". While they already coined the term: "Star Trek Universe", and there's even a logo, this is the very first time we actually have seen the first baby steps to a really integrated Trek universe.

RAMA

 

Here

https://www.facebook.com/groups/154006338646486/

 

It seems to me paramount has done nothing BUT waiver about making another Trek movie happen, and they started showing signs of this with the planning of the last movie.

I also find it dubious to claim this is the most successful period for ST on TV based on how it performs for CBS' streaming services. What are the actual numbers for viewership for these shows? Does anyone know? CBS won't say.

I never suggested they put Nick Meyer in charge of the franchise. I also never suggested they get him, specifically, for any one TV project.

Someone LIKE him, an independed-minded writer/director, a Nick Meyer, a Bryan Fuller, a Rian Johnson or a whoever is just the type of person Berman Trek wouldn't work with (or give creative freedom to), and likewise the type of person the Kurtzman Trek people seemingly won't work with. The Kurtzman writers rooms seem afraid of any person with exceptional creative talent, whoever that might be. Fans seem generally terrified and resentful of that person as well.

Nick only knows (this time I speak of him specifically) how he was treated in STD's writers room after Fuller left. And Fuller was crucified by the fans.

I'm not seeing how ST was any less integrated under Berman. That was the problem, everything that was part of that phase was Berman's distinctively bland style of ST. There would be no Undiscovered Country under Berman (except perhaps in cases when someone like Behr flat-out ignored Berman's constraints), and after four years its fair to say we're not going to see one under Kurtzman.

Integrated canon is the worst thing that ever happened to ST.

 

I already admitted there was no real need, but coming from someone who dislikes the Kelvin movies (more and more as they go on) there's a big chunk of "Let's finish it, tie everything up in a neat bow and be done with it" in my desire.

I'm way, way happier with having Trek back home on TV (with the exception of Lower Decks) and freely admit the last Trek movie I really liked was Undiscovered Country.

It's just an opinion and I'd be surprised if anyone involved read it and thought "Oh, in that case, let's bin the Kelvinverse !".

Mind you, I had thought they had already done that...

 

Star Trek Universe TV Head Alex Kurtzman Says Line Between Movies And Television Is “Gone”
I have to say they are doing an amazing job of hiding the fact that Kurtzman has been secretly fired and the new Star Trek productions are a total failure. I mean, he's still doing interviews like he actually still has a job and they're starting new projects to keep the facade, when actually a couple of YouTubers have discovered THE TRUTH!
(Yes, there are Youtubers who actually are saying this)

 

^ And all these shows that have been cancelled just keep on filming? WTF? Somebody should tell them they're wasting their time

 

They keep rolling out new episodes and new shows to hide the fact it was cancelled two years ago.

a multi million dollar cover up!

 

Yes, the problem is THEY ARE REALLY SAYING THIS.
It's kind of a big scam towards the shareholders to keep the value of the company from collapsing.

I'm not kidding.

 

thank you

 

wow never seen the Cranston designs before, looks like they were going a similar way to what they did with Elba - pls post some more Orci stuff! lol (i have the Kelvinverse coffee table book and in that there may have been a couple of Orci ST3 art stuff - think there was one of Alice Eve in a 'Beyond' style uniform)

 

I would argue this is not the most successful period for the franchise as someone posted above.

The 70s were very Trekky and Trek-conscious. As a kid I had drapes, books, poster books, models. True, it was nerdy, but really, it was part of the culture. So much they decided to make a new TV series 10 years -- no, wait, now a Motion Picture!

The 90's, TNG at its height, so popular and known in the culture [we still find action figures owned by our kids when we clean old closets] they naturally assumed feature films had to be made!

Now -- I am retired from teaching, but spent 30 years among teens -- I assure you, the vast majority of them have no knowledge about Trek, even that DSC exists on some obscure streaming channel.

Mid 70-s, everybody knew it was a thing, even if Grandma would refer to that "Dr. Spock" Martian guy.

 

In the 70s in the USA you had virtually only three channels. I'm quite sure that everyone had at least a superficial knowledge of every TV show even if they didn't watch it ("Dallas? Right, I don't watch it but it is that with JR, right?")

 

The era I remember most being so big for Trek was the 25th anniversary late 91 early 92: build up to Trek VI, s5/Unification, CIC vhs, starlog, anniversary magazines, DC, cinefantatique Trek issues, official fan club magazine, titan/pocket books, Compendiums, tech manuals, altman/gross unofficial guides, anniversary posters/plates/calenders/model kits (with the 25th logo on everything) ..Just so much happening ..and that of course continued into TNG s6/DS9/s7/AGT/Generations/TIME/Voy..

Its like it had all been building toward that early 90s crescendo of Trek