Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion
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Nah, just the truth about how they wanted to but couldn't because of controversy and chose an easier option. And I'm not alone. You see me complaining about Hoffman winning for playing a homosexual?
See, now you're just going too hard into that "Dead Artists are Better" cliche. Folks thought Ledger was a talentless pretty boy before he did Brokeback and then Dark Knight made it taboo to every say anything bad about him at all. Unrealistic. His "Joker" wasn't even the Joker anyways.
Sorry, I'm not a white guy so you can kindly take off with the patronizing. Get with the times.
Oh, and you're continuing to say nothing about the Cultists who did a REAL attack and did REAL damage. Says enough about you.
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They're probably about as physically fit and well trained as a person can be without actually being "an enhanced". They didn't beat Walker because they were super-soldiers (because they're not) they beat him because 1) they fought as a cohesive unit, not a group of individuals and 2) US military training doesn't produce the be-all, end-all, best-of-the-best world beaters that the recruitment videos claim. He'd have been out of his league with just ONE of them. And they were being gentle too; he still had a pulse when they left the room.
They don't wear a lot, but I assume their clothing is Vabranium laced, which makes it impact resistant Armour.
A Vabranium body lotion would mean that they don't feel any one's punches.
Trained from birth, that's the text, looking at the subtext.
A Vabranium body lotion would mean that they don't feel any one's punches.
Trained from birth, that's the text, looking at the subtext.
Warning for trolling and continuing an off-topic derail after being told to stop.
Warning for continuing an off-topic derail after being told to stop.
Seriously, this was one of the better threads in the forum until this show came around and people just forgot how to, I don't know, not threadshit. If someone pisses you off, that's what the report button does: My cell phone is my Bat-signal, and TrekBBS alerts are flagged in my Gmail as high-priority, and beyond that, reports are viewable to every other staff member on the board. In short: Use the notify button, for God's sake, instead of further engaging, because I really, really don't need the headaches from cleaning up the threadshit. It's gross and it's smelly.
Now. Let's get back to playing nice and respectfully disagreeing with people, otherwise I'm just going to close this thread for 72 hours after every FatWS episode drops, because each new one seems to act like a turbo laxative for some of you.
I'm wondering if things would be more black and white if a congressperson or Mike Pense had been killed?
Is there the death penalty in Washington DC?
Nope.
Although a lot of those scumbags traveled.
If you can establish criminal intent out of state where there is the death penalty you can move the trial there, and sort an execution.
I feel like Captain Boomerang in Justice League Dark: Apoklips War when King Shark stops saying only "King Shark is a Shark"
If Guy breaks character you have to really consider the topic at question and where you stood on it.
I don't know if the government will turn on Walker. The show has been exploring a lot of racial themes and having an authority figure kill an unarmed man graphically on camera and having that murder justified in the eyes of the law and certain political groups would certainly fit in.Holy shit - they're going to take the shield from him - by force!
That'll be one hell of a fight but would that mean they will be on the run again from the law? I hope not, the MCU has been there and done that but the government also doesn't like to put up against the wall. They know they have to decommission Walker, his actions made him un-employable by the government, possibly even a legal issue. But even then they can't allow rogue elements to beat up a government operative and steal government property, much less a national treasure.
I guess it depends on how much the public would be told (and sold). Seems to me saying Walker was neutralizing a threat by super-powered terrorists that just killed Battlestar with their bare hands might be justification enough for the public. That this guy still posed an active threat to the public-at-large with his strength alone despite being unarmed wouldn't be wrong even if that wasn't what really motivated Walker.
There will undoubtedly be people who actually APPLAUD what he did if they present any kind of 'realistic' take on how people would respond in OUR world vs the MCU.
As a certain poster in this thread has already proved.
My prohibition on off-topic derails didn't extend only to the two posters who got an actual warning.
I don't disagree, but at the same time from an in-universe perspective, after all the fuss that was kicked up with the Sokovia accords and legislating what "superheroes" are and are not allowed to do, you gotta imagine there's something in there about NOT murdering unarmed suspects of foreign soil.
I mean it'd be one thing if this was on US soil then the allegory would be self evident. But this has a much more international dimension to it that makes me think it's less about US domestic issues and more about imperialism in general. Not that they're mutually exclusive or even unrelated, I'm just thinking in terms of the show's focus when there's only a few more episodes to go.
The GRC are the bad guys behind everything.
Did they Palpatiningly sponsor an unstable Captain America, while bank rolling an unstable Supersoldier Terrorist, and trick them into fighting each other?
Karli is obviously a patsy.
And when I say "they" I do mean that the chairman of the Board is a Zemo.
Maybe a fat cousin with little fingers?
Either they wanted to stop the rebordering so that they keep "power" or they were having trouble getting the borders back, and cued up this drama to fast track the Patch Act and "restore normalcy".
Old white men.
American loathing Eurotrash for sure, but definitely old white men.
They want their countries back, and to make America the bad guys.
Win/Win.
Did they Palpatiningly sponsor an unstable Captain America, while bank rolling an unstable Supersoldier Terrorist, and trick them into fighting each other?
Karli is obviously a patsy.
And when I say "they" I do mean that the chairman of the Board is a Zemo.
Maybe a fat cousin with little fingers?
Either they wanted to stop the rebordering so that they keep "power" or they were having trouble getting the borders back, and cued up this drama to fast track the Patch Act and "restore normalcy".
Old white men.
American loathing Eurotrash for sure, but definitely old white men.
They want their countries back, and to make America the bad guys.
Win/Win.
My thoughts exactly - Walker killed a guy in public who was already beaten and laying on the ground with the symbol of american values and morals that the US loves to point out ( Land of the Free and all that). He didn't just use the Shield to bash him to the ground and knock him out ( that would be PR gold - Captain America apprehends Terrorist) but he killed with something that is as well known as Coca Cola, Apple Phones and McDonalds in the MCU.
I doubt the government has any chance to spin this any way, they have to let Walker go but apart from the trailer we don't know how that will happen or if Bucky and Sam will preempt the government's reaction and take matters into their own hands ( and possibly be then celebrated as heroes because they took down a man they lost control over).
4 more days to find out
My thoughts exactly - Walker killed a guy in public who was already beaten and laying on the ground with the symbol of american values and morals that the US loves to point out ( Land of the Free and all that). He didn't just use the Shield to bash him to the ground and knock him out ( that would be PR gold - Captain America apprehends Terrorist) but he killed with something that is as well known as Coca Cola, Apple Phones and McDonalds in the MCU.
I doubt the government has any chance to spin this any way, they have to let Walker go but apart from the trailer we don't know how that will happen or if Bucky and Sam will preempt the government's reaction and take matters into their own hands ( and possibly be then celebrated as heroes because they took down a man they lost control over).
4 more days to find out
Sorry I was inching towards this...
Who is behind Captain America II?
The Executive branch of the US Government.
The DOD or the US Army?
Or the GRC.
I'm assuming that there are American representatives on the GRC steering the power of that body towards positive US outcomes.
I'm also sure that UnAmerican or merely non American representatives have been given control over aspects of the American Government, and the country.
I don't thin the show will go into such details with it, not with a mere 6 episodes and a different focus. If this were a regular 13-20 episode yearly drama show then maybe but it seems Marvel is intending these shows as tidying up loose ends and exploring storylines for which the movies don't have, sort of filling in the gaps.
The GRC is just this faceless organisation tasked with an overwhelming problem to reintegrate billions of returning people and of course it has to fail on certain areas but it's mainly just a story device.
Tim Roth is already tagged for another show.
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