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Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

I haven't seen First Avenger in 10 years, but shmidt made it seem like Hydra was a science Wing of either the German military or the Nazi Party, when it is actually alien and predates humanity.

Is the Super Soldier Formula Alien?

Any mental defects in the recipients is intended.
Hydra started as the science wing, but then Schmitt broke off from the Nazis and turned on them.
Don't think there is an alien element to the SSF.
 
In addition to the serum, Steve was given a bath in 'vita-rays.' .

The reason the 1950's Captain America / William Burnside (from 1972's Captain America and the Falcon #153-156) turned into a psychopath; his lack of the proper treatment super-charged his racist, anti-communist fervor. In this case, Walker might see himself as the "solution" to "problems" Steve, Sam or Bucky "failed" to answer in society.
 
Hydra started as the science wing, but then Schmitt broke off from the Nazis and turned on them.
Don't think there is an alien element to the SSF.

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. covers Hydra's extra terrestrial origins thoroughly.

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Okies, not exactly alien, but OLD.

60 thousand years ago an Inhuman with a Hydra face got lost in a portal, meanwhile a cult formed to recover that inhuman from outer space, of which the Skull was a member.
 
And BTW, I'm not white either so you can take your "My People" nonsense and shove it.

Convenient "I'm not white" line now, Not buying it, just as no one bought your "I'm not homophobic" line when you kicked a dead man winning an Oscar by claiming the only reason the Academy gave Ledger the award for portraying the Joker was due their wanting to give it to him for Brokeback Mountain, but did not, because in your mind, Hollywood is all about "the gay", so the Joker award was not for a DC film you've soiled endless threads with attacking, but for your ill-minded, cynical attack on the Academy's alleged beliefs and sentiments. You've never had a leg to stand on, so toddle off, boy.


"I'm not going to derail this thread any further" then proceeds to post more about the topic. I have no idea what your experiences are

Where this subject is concerned, my life and work allowed me to know what others only pop-off about in social media, without a particle of experience. In typical behavior, they repeat fed stories about Antifa as if the group are heroes, when I--and other black people around the nation know the opposite--the truth. We (my people) have seen black activism groups endangered to greater degrees when recognized/known Antifa members purposely traveled to legitimate protest events and committed assaults and other forms of destruction, often, and deliberately letting black activism groups take the fucking blame--and retribution for their terror. In my work, we have talked members of the group (those willing to do so), learning what their aims were/are, and its not what is being posted in this thread. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Its spoon-fed, fact-free, offensive bullshit but that's an easy position to take when their asses--sitting on that well-built-up White Privilege / Throne of Judgement (about that they will never know)--are not in the crosshairs (literally and figuratively) at a level greater than anything seen in decades. To this day, no matter what black activist groups say or present, they are unjustifiably linked to the violence committed by those infiltrating protests around the nation. That is reality, not the hero fantasy pushed by a couple of utterly clueless board members (not meaning you).

While I appreciate you taking the time to relate your own account of work for causes, I am not standing by to be offended by those who do not know the realities of this nation where protest, violence and most importantly--how its fueled an already uphill battle for people like me. Oh. but I'm certain the guilty will suddenly swing in, claiming they are on the front lines, but I will note that (in the event they pull that) was not anything worth revealing until now. All too convenient.

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An excellent post, and let's end this derail. Take anything further to PMs or TNZ. Groovy? Groovy.

Timby, I just viewed your post. Whether you understand my position or not, I returned to this thread to see more of this offensive BS aimed at me, and the posts were not deleted (the same with my own relevant to the conflict), so it appeared as if this was a free-for-all about something of the utmost importance to my real world, and I responded. I doubt the members in question are going to PM me, as they wanted to "do their thing" here, but in the event they do, I can discuss the matter at that time.
 
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Oh, he cracked.

Episode one and two, there was nothing wrong with the man.

All that optimism.

Pride cometh before the fall.

Are we sure that the Dora Mailaje are not super soldiers?

Steve Rogers once said (in the comics) that his perception and reflexes speed up to the point that dodging bullets wasn't that hard.

They could have more interesting enhancements other than just strength.
 
The shot of his face at the end was brilliantly framed and acted--the first really scary moment of the series. There are a few possibilities of some redemption for Walker. Although he has pretty right wing political beliefs, in the comics he has been a member of the Avengers and Omega Flight.

Whether the serum is meant to amplify a person's emotions and beliefs as well as their physique is not entirely clear but it would be a good explanation for Walker flying off like that. We've already seen his "enthusiasm" and his temper in previous episodes.

Or the sheer physical change within him, has brought forth the personality traits already within him which is what has been implied so far in the MCU.

Either way, I'm very interested in how the rest of the series plays out and if there is some kind of redemption for Walker in his future. I actually wish that this series was a multi-season show at this point because it has created a lot of plot strands that will not be satisfactorily resolved in the two remaining episodes.
 
In the comics, Walker started off as an unlimited class wrestler.

He had three stooges, called his Buckies, and Battlestar was one of them.

I bet 40 quatloos that Cap is going to be delusional and talking "the ghost" of Battlestar justifying his bat shit decisions.

What do they call that?

A "Magical Negro".
 
Convenient "I'm not white" line now, Not buying it

Tough, it's the truth. But yes, I still do believe that the Academy only gave Ledger the award cause he died and because it would've been too controversial to give it to him for Brokeback when you remember the "Moral" outrage about that movie when it first came out. They took the easy way out with Capote, as that was another Oscar Bait biopic.

As for you blaming activists for stuff, they're nothing compared to the lunatic cultists who attempted an armed insurrection against the lawful government. That you ignore them shows your alignment.
 
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I bet 40 quatloos that Cap is going to be delusional and talking "the ghost" of Battlestar justifying his bat shit decisions.

I had a similar thought based on the comic panel that's been posted around of Walker having gone off the deep end and chatting happily with the corpses of his parents.
 
Kind of strange that Marvel would release this NOW, as it's past the mid-season point.

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But I can see why they held back on it. The prior trailers showed us NOTHING of Walker and this one shows what he's become. If fans had seen this ahead of time, it would've solidified that "He's MCU Homelander!" overreaction.
 
Tough, it's the truth. But yes, I still do believe that the Academy only gave Ledger the award cause he died and because it would've been too controversial to give it to him for Brokeback when you remember the "Moral" outrage about that movie when it first came out. They took the easy way out with Capote, as that was another Oscar Bait biopic.

As for you blaming activists for stuff, they're nothing compared to the lunatic cultists who attempted an armed insurrection against the lawful government. That you ignore them shows your alignment.
It's pretty common knowledge that the Oscars will give awards for movies to make up for missing the actual achievement, especially after an actor, director, or other position dies. Chadwick Boseman will almost certainly win the Oscars this year to make up for them not giving one for Black Panther. The whole voting process for the Oscars is extremely political and has nothing to do with the actual quality of a movie or a performance in it. It's why Return of the King won so many awards, they were really awards for the entire trilogy instead of just that particular film. Or why Scorsese has only won Best Director for The Departed which isn't his best movie. It wasn't even his best movie that came out that decade.
 
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Kind of strange that Marvel would release this NOW, as it's past the mid-season point.

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But I can see why they held back on it. The prior trailers showed us NOTHING of Walker and this one shows what he's become. If fans had seen this ahead of time, it would've solidified that "He's MCU Homelander!" overreaction.

Holy shit - they're going to take the shield from him - by force! :eek::eek:

That'll be one hell of a fight but would that mean they will be on the run again from the law? I hope not, the MCU has been there and done that but the government also doesn't like to put up against the wall. They know they have to decommission Walker, his actions made him un-employable by the government, possibly even a legal issue. But even then they can't allow rogue elements to beat up a government operative and steal government property, much less a national treasure.
 
There are already people IRL who are defending Walker and saying they don't see any real problems with what he did. It's entirely possible the Government will spin this in his favor and use it as further proof he's the better Cap for the modern age, not scared to get his hands dirty.

We DO see Walker in full dress uniform looking confident when he says "I'm Captain America". Looks like he's getting ANOTHER medal?
 
There are people who unironically love Homelander (and more than a few who like Stormfront) on The Boys. Some people really do believe that killing helpless people is completely justified if they're pissed off.
 
Are we sure that the Dora Mailaje are not super soldiers?
It's possible they could be infused with some element of the plant/flower that all the members of the royal family use to gain the powers of the Black Panther... They are a Royal Guard to a King who has his own super-powered abilities, so yeah they could be enhanced in some fashion, but I don't think it's similar to the Super Soldier first developed by Erskine, or the people after him attempting to replicate his first success.
 
Tough, it's the truth. But yes, I still do believe that the Academy only gave Ledger the award cause he died and because it would've been too controversial to give it to him for Brokeback when you remember the "Moral" outrage about that movie when it first came out. They took the easy way out with Capote, as that was another Oscar Bait biopic.

Translation: you are still the homophobic creature you've always been by continuing to push a completely unsubstantiated, hate-motivated fantasy about the Oscars, and shit on the legacy and memory of a dead man, which in turn, is based on your woefully unhealthy hatred of DC movies and a need to "get back" at anyone who "dares" to criticize Marvel movies. It is no wonder other members have posted that you need to seek professional help.

As for you blaming activists for stuff, they're nothing compared to the lunatic cultists who attempted an armed insurrection against the lawful government. That you ignore them shows your alignment.

That you continue to post about real subjects you have no business, historic or personal knowledge about / making excuses based on fantasies shows how subversive you really are. Again, toddle off, child.
 
Whether the serum is meant to amplify a person's emotions and beliefs as well as their physique is not entirely clear but it would be a good explanation for Walker flying off like that. We've already seen his "enthusiasm" and his temper in previous episodes.

Well, Erskine said the serum enhances what is already in a person, so a good person would become great, while the opposite would end up like the Red Skull. The First Avenger made a hard call on how the serum affects two polar opposites, with no "drifting" to adopt other personality traits. That said, Walker being an egomaniac with a sense of entitlement and a need for others to bow to him has been amplified. I just wonder what Sam and Bucky will do with him once he's defeated. He's not exactly the type of character I would like to see become their main antagonist in the event this series gets a second season, or Sam and Bucky are migrated back to the movies..
 
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