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Why the hate for Disco?

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There's a good question, I don't know. The overall feeling of television, not just Star Trek, has changed over time, perhaps the 60s original thing and then 90s creations are what I think Star Trek should feel like. When it comes to how a series feel, maybe it has a lot to do with how it looks. Well, I'm a TNG fanboy so maybe the answer lies there, do a show that looks like TNG. =) But that's just me. However, Star Trek might create something in the future that feels OK to me, right now not so much. All this may change somethimes, who knows. Maybe I just like TNG too much and want all Star Trek to be like it.... All that probably doesn't make sense much.
I mean, I vaguely follow in that I would prefer Trek to be like TOS. I would prefer all of my Trek to be the continued adventures of Captain Kirk and company. That's what I grew up with so that feel is the most appealing to me. So, I understanding wanting a particular feel. But, and this might be a difficult concept to illustrate, Star Trek has changed incredibly for me from TOS to now. I don't even find TNG to have that Star Trek feel that drew me to TOS to begin with.

But, that was something I had to reconcile with in the past as part of Star Trek and arguing with friends of Kirk vs. Picard and mocked for liking TOS over TNG or DS9. Star Trek has never not been a consensus sport for me. So, the feel of Star Trek took a back seat to do I find it entertaining.

Mileage will vary.
 
I mean, I vaguely follow in that I would prefer Trek to be like TOS. I would prefer all of my Trek to be the continued adventures of Captain Kirk and company. That's what I grew up with so that feel is the most appealing to me. So, I understanding wanting a particular feel.

For me, being an early 80s kid, TNG was the introduction to Star Trek in the 90s so that is the thing I compare everything else Trek related to. But, TOS has a nice feeling to it too. =)
 
For me, being an early 80s kid, TNG was the introduction to Star Trek in the 90s so that is the thing I compare everything else Trek related to. But, TOS has a nice feeling to it too. =)
Yes, I can see that. I guess I just realized that TOS had come and gone and that feeling cannot be captured again. I'm no longer a kid, and Star Trek is no longer a series that barely made it 3 seasons.
 
However.... If someone doesn't like 'Discovery' or some other (new) Trek series right now, it could change. So, prepare youself to liking this series at some point?

For example I haven't always been interested in the car series Overhaulin' but recently I've been watching some episodes. =)
 
Star Trek doesn't mean anything.

There is no way Trek should, or should not, feel.

Sentences to get my tenure on here cut very short but I have my reasons for saying it.

Star Trek doesn't mean anything...other than what it means to each individual. For some it means a vision of a brighter future, for some it is an exploration of the potential advances in science, for others it is a way of escaping the trials and tribbleations of day to day life, for another person it is an allegorical method of story telling from which the modern world can be dissected and reframed.

I would expect for the majority it is a little bit of all the elements above and many more that I haven't listed.

This is why it is so hard to reach a consensus and why there can be such strong feelings both for and against shows, characters, or story lines.

For me, I've always enjoyed the stories where we see the faults in our crews, where we see that no one is perfect, but that they are trying their best. I'm pretty sure that was the crux of Picard's defence of humanity when they first came across Q.

Now my second statement from above - there is no way that Trek should, or should not, feel.

This is borne out in the stark differences between TOS, to the movies to TNG, DS9, Voy and Ent and then the Disco and Picard. It should also be stated that the shows do have some similar traits too.

It's been mentioned more than once, but the feel of the production changed massively with each "jump" in era - although it would be right to say that some things also stayed the same.

I'd suggest that TMP, TWOK and SFS had some similarities to Disco in terms of their presentation. The cinematic nature lead to bridge sets that were darker for example. Established races changed their aesthetics for another.

TUC - arguably my favourite of the TOS films - dealt with racism within Starfleet, a clear indication of things not being perfect. They even have a character state that "all klingons look the same".

I think, also, that when one takes a look at other media, the constantly shifting nature of presentation and storytelling is similar to what we have seen with Trek.

Comics such as the various Marvel or DC ones are a clear example of how much things have changed since the inception of certain characters.

Even sitcoms, dramas, even documentaries (i.e. productions that don't necessarily have a continuing set of characters) have changed to fit the tastes of the period.

This will be due to changes in tastes of those producing the shows, contemporary acting styles not necessarily meshing with the feel of older shows, and appealing to new or different audiences to try and expand the fan base to allow things to continue in future.

TL;DR - stick all this hate, f* the aggressive slating of each other and the shows, if you like it you like it, if you don't then you don't.

There is a 700 episode back catalogue if you don't like the new stuff, and there is about 70 or so new episodes of you don't. No one is losing out really.

As a wise man once said, "Don't worry, be happy"
 
As a franchise that might be true but to each one of us as individuals, that's a different thing.
Which is why it is impossible for it to feel exactly the same. Even Star Trek fan films, like Continues or Phase 2/New Voyages (apologies if I messed those up), get the physical look down to a science still lack that feel.
 
Jesterface, I never noticed your Suomi location. My wife is half Finnish and we live in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, a heavily Finnish area. She is from a community called Toivola. So, hello.

Or, "paivaa."

Your disliking was very reasonably worded. There's an old Latin phrase, "In matters of taste, there can be no disputing." DSC isn't to my liking. They keep teasing me with portions of seasons I like . In fact the first few of eac h season. Then the producers change!

I think you'll like Strange New Worlds. I think. Hoping.
 
Heck, dumb and/or boring would describe a lot of series and films. I don't waste my time posting long rants about them.

I'll make fun of crappy shows and movies. But waste my time philosophizing about why they ruin my childhood? Yeah, no.
 
indeed, I will go out on a limb and say the "hate" for discovery is mostly down to the fact its not a good show

Interesting. I’d love to see a listing of objective, fact-based measures that make something a “good show” which are not associated with your own personal tastes or opinions.

It never ceases to amaze me, the mental gymnastics people will go through to try and rationalize their own tastes as being “the right opinion.” Nobody gives a shit who is “right.” You like what you like, and you don’t what you don’t. It’s ok. But trying to pass off your own personal tastes as “justified by fact” is really unnecessary.

Heck, dumb and/or boring would describe a lot of series and films. I don't waste my time posting long rants about them.

I'll make fun of crappy shows and movies. But waste my time philosophizing about why they ruin my childhood? Yeah, no.

How dare you belittle the personal hobby of thousands and thousands, sir?
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Them: "I have to watch it all!"
Me: "No, you don't."
Them: "Yes, I do!"
Me: "You're spending money on a subscription to watch something you don't like."
Them: "So?"
Me: "You're wasting your hard-earned money. Assuming you actually have a job, understand the value of a dollar, and aren't just someone's leach."
Them: "Well, it's my money to waste!"
Me: "Fine. Keep wasting that money. And keep contributing to New Trek's numbers. Helping to ensure that something you hate will continue."

Them: "Well, what if I said I watch it bootlegged? You don't need a subscription."
Me: "Then I would say, good for you. You're willing to do something illegal just to watch something you hate. Think about that for a minute. Really actually think about it... "
 
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Madness. What do you complain about then if you don't watch dumb and boring shows?

I find the weather is usually a good option, or football, or football and the weather? I am British though so that comes naturally.

Can add how kids these days don't make sense to me - kids being anyone under 27
 
Them: "I have to watch it all!"
Me: "No, you don't."
Them: "Yes, I do!"
Me: "You're spending money on a subscription to watch something you don't like."
Them: "So?"
Me: "You're wasting your hard-earned money. Assuming you actually have a job, understand the value of a dollar, and aren't just someone's leach."
Them: "Well, it's my money to waste!"
Me: "Fine. Keep wasting that money. And keep contributing to New Trek's numbers. Helping to ensure that something you hate will continue."

Them: "Well, what if I said I watch it bootlegged? You don't need a subscription."
Me: "Then I would say, good for you. You're willing to do something illegal just to watch something you hate. Think about that for a minute. Really actually think about it... "
I doubt much thought goes on with it. It seems Star Trek is a compulsion done automatically.
 
Heck, dumb and/or boring would describe a lot of series and films. I don't waste my time posting long rants about them.

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