Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

[Anwar]

I don't see what the problem with the racial profiling scene is. "The Boys" did the same thing with how when A-Train's leg was broken and a racist security guard was on him at a store.

No one complained about that.

 

[Skywalker]

If you think that scene wasn't needed, you're missing the point of the story they're trying to tell.

 

[valkyrie013]

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID makes it seem that ALL cops are ass's to minorities, and that is a bit BS generlization. If they set it up better where there was a reason for the encounter, and the cop (who of course was white) had a somewhat justifiable reason to stop Sam, then it would have been better.
I know things aren't perfect, but it isn't the 60's or 70's..

 

[Reverend]

The cops having no real reason to stop him WAS the point. If you can't grasp that then this is probably not the show for you.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID makes it seem that ALL cops are ass's to minorities, and that is a bit BS generlization. If they set it up better where there was a reason for the encounter, and the cop (who of course was white) had a somewhat justifiable reason to stop Sam, then it would have been better.

...and you're already missing the point.

I know things aren't perfect, but it isn't the 60's or 70's..

Tell that to the Black community.

 

[Noname Given]

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID makes it seem that ALL cops are ass's to minorities, and that is a bit BS generlization. If they set it up better where there was a reason for the encounter, and the cop (who of course was white) had a somewhat justifiable reason to stop Sam, then it would have been better.
I know things aren't perfect, but it isn't the 60's or 70's..

if you don't think that was realistic then I'd like to know what city you live in. It still happens today, and it's still much more prevalent than you realize. (And no I'm not in African American or other minority. I do work at a court and my father was a police officer for 28 years. Racial profiling does still exist, and unfortunately it's still very prevalent within the police officer community.)

 

[UssGlenn]

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID

They weren't just walking down the street, he was having a loud argument with a white guy. Thats what attracted the cops attention.

 

[JD]

NOTES:
In just two years, we have two superhero TV series using plots involving black men being used for super soldier / enhancement programs during World War Two, and subjected to typical white government abuse for their troubles. As recent as Black Lightning's third season (Episode 14 - "The Book of War: Chapter One: Homecoming") , the villain Tyson Sykes aka "Gravedigger" revealed he--the first confirmed natural metahuman--had served during WWII (with every U.S. President from FDR-forward knowing about experiments), but Sykes--unlike Bradley--left America to work with an enemy government, knowing he--and his people--would never be treated like people in America. While the Bradley character has a history in the comics, its timely and important that two current superhero series explore the idea and history of U.S.experiments on largely unwilling black people.

Just one minor correction, Bradley was experimented on during The Korean War, not WWII.

I'm enjoying this show so much that I wish it was an ongoing series. I like the contrast with Wandavision and that the MCU hasn't forgotten the other threads to its larger universe.

It might be end up being an ongoing series, Kevin Feige has said that, while they don't have concrete plans for more, they do have ideas for where they would take things in a second season.

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID makes it seem that ALL cops are ass's to minorities, and that is a bit BS generlization. If they set it up better where there was a reason for the encounter, and the cop (who of course was white) had a somewhat justifiable reason to stop Sam, then it would have been better.
I know things aren't perfect, but it isn't the 60's or 70's..

Have you been paying any attention to what has been going on for the last year? This kind of thing still happens all the time. I'm white, so I haven't experienced it first hand, but there are plenty of stories about this kind of thing happening all the time.
My family did get a little taste of it back in the '90s while my sister was dating a black guy. We got stopped in a store, and the security accused him of trying to steal the old, beat up belt he was wearing. And my mom says that there were several instances where cop cars followed them, just because they saw a black person in the car.

 

[YLu]

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID makes it seem that ALL cops are ass's to minorities, and that is a bit BS generlization. If they set it up better where there was a reason for the encounter, and the cop (who of course was white) had a somewhat justifiable reason to stop Sam, then it would have been better.
I know things aren't perfect, but it isn't the 60's or 70's..

That you genuinely believe what you just wrote is exactly why such a scene is necessary.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID makes it seem that ALL cops are ass's to minorities, and that is a bit BS generlization.

What is BS is that you believing it does not happen with any regularity. I am living proof it does, and thanks to a distinctive feature (guess what that might be), I've been harassed by the police a number of times in my life, all for that one, distinctive feature. The scene in this episode was speaking to a reality black males have dealt with for generations, and it shows no signs of abating now, or in the future.

If they set it up better where there was a reason for the encounter, and the cop (who of course was white) had a somewhat justifiable reason to stop Sam, then it would have been better.

The reason was being a black male in the United States. That's enough justification certain police officers need to stop, question, arrest or threaten black men in the United States.

I know things aren't perfect, but it isn't the 60's or 70's..

I detest that "it isn't the 60s or 70s" line some love to trot out to defend the indefensible: a situation that continues to this day, that is only a mystery to those who purposely do not see it, or pretend "is not that bad anymore.

 

[Turtletrekker]

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID makes it seem that ALL cops are ass's to minorities, and that is a bit BS generlization. If they set it up better where there was a reason for the encounter, and the cop (who of course was white) had a somewhat justifiable reason to stop Sam, then it would have been better.
I know things aren't perfect, but it isn't the 60's or 70's..

I'd recommend that you ask George Floyd, Breona Taylor, Manuel Ellis, Botham Jean and so many, many others what they think of your statement, but, well...

#saytheirnames

 

[FreezeC77]

Don't even have to look very far. Just a few days ago in Arkansas a law student (who was black) was pulled over by the police while driving a U-haul. The officer later actually said "he looked suspicious because he kept his eyes straight ahead on the road and had his hands clutched at 10&2" Got pulled over, cops threatened they would bring in a 'drug sniffing dog'. After an hour or two of then searching the U-haul and trying to find something of which there was nothing.

Dude had chairs, a dining table, and other shit he was moving. He was just a black guy driving a god damn U-Haul. Luckily he didn't get shot, or roughed up.

 

[Turtletrekker]

A black man looks suspicious because he was driving exactly the way people are taught how to drive. Got it. That's America.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

It was recently reported here in Washington that back in January the Pierce County Sheriff called 911 to report a suspicious black man in his neighborhood. Turns out he was delivering newspapers. Further investigation turned up another up a tape of 911 dispatchers saying that this wasn't the first time he had called them reporting a suspicious black man in the neighborhood.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It was recently reported here in Washington that back in January the Pierce County Sheriff called 911 to report a suspicious black man in his neighborhood. Turns out he was delivering newspapers. Further investigation turned up another up a tape of 911 dispatchers saying that this wasn't the first time he had called them reporting a suspicious black man in the neighborhood.

Ed Troyer. F*** that guy.

 

[theenglish]

The interviews from cast and crew have said race issues will be a part of this series, and we see that it is, starting in E1 with the Wilson financial issues / failure at the bank. The police scene is as relevant as one you will ever see in a MC/TVU production, since America has no end in sight of general harassment of black men by members of law enforcement. Like the bank representative, white behavior only changed when they realize Sam is the Falcon. Without that "protection," to the police, he's just another "aggressive black male" that needed to be met with suspicion and the potential for police violence.

Scenes like the one in question makes this a far better production, and not the random superhero romp.

I thought the scene was great--right down to the "I didn't recognize you without the goggles" as in all black guys look the same to him.

 

[theenglish]

the scene just needed to be set up better, them just walking down the street and the cops stoping for not reason asking for ID makes it seem that ALL cops are ass's to minorities, and that is a bit BS generlization. If they set it up better where there was a reason for the encounter, and the cop (who of course was white) had a somewhat justifiable reason to stop Sam, then it would have been better.
I know things aren't perfect, but it isn't the 60's or 70's..

Guess you haven't been following the news for the past few years? The reason they stopped was because they thought Wilson was threatening Barnes.

 

[FPAlpha]

I thought the scene was great--right down to the "I didn't recognize you without the goggles" as in all black guys look the same to him.

Just this weekend i saw an interview with Mackie who did press for the show and he mentioned he's being mistaken for Don Cheadle/Warmachine at least once a day.

It was played for laughs but come on - if you know the movies well enough to know that either one of them starred in some you should be able to tell them apart, they are not that similar looking.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

I thought this might as well go in here since it seems like just a puff piece...
The Hollywood Reporter: Sebastian Stan Reveals Only Way He'd Agree to Play Luke Skywalker

From the Falcon and the Winter Soldier to the Millennium Falcon? Trading a left robot arm for a right? Could actually work.

 

[Noname Given]

I thought the scene was great--right down to the "I didn't recognize you without the goggles" as in all black guys look the same to him.

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