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My DS9 Rewatch Odyssey

Regarding Bareil, I agree that I think Anglim's performance is just supposed to reflect a man at peace...unfortunately, a man at peace is kind of boring to watch. :p

I may have alluded to this in previous comments, but I remain curious as to whether the people who take issue with Bariel also have problems with Commander Sinclair in Babylon 5, as I think the acting style is similar.

Interesting comparison, Sinclair and Bareil. I always liked Sinclair, but I can also see why some might consider him somewhat wooden. I don't agree with that assessmemt, but there are glimpses when I can understand it.

Both characters have very different backgrounds and philosophies. Bareil was a man who seemed completely at peace. Sinclair, until his final appearance, was completely not at peace. Bareil is not a fighter by a long shot. Sinclair put himself in the line of fire multiple times and was definitely a fighter.

About the only thing they have in common is they are spiritual people.

As far as the actors themselves, I think they played their roles pretty much just as they were conceived. And both did have important parts to play... one for an overall series arc, another for piece of a single character's arc. My opinion, anyway.

Truthfully, if there is any fault regarding either of those characters, it might be more fair to say the blame should equally belong to the actors and the writers.
 
HEART OF STONE”

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“Oh, it’s you, Major! For a second I thought you were a Horta.”

I’m going to start off with the Nog plot, which is by far the easiest to talk about. Given that Nog was borderline unbearable in the previous episode, it doubtlessly came as a tremendous surprise to all just what a brilliant renaissance the character undergoes here—in the beginnings of what many fans justifiably claim as one of the most remarkable character arcs in Trek history.

For much of the episode, my reactions pretty much mirrored Sisko’s, as I kept waiting to find out what Nog’s nefarious angle was. After all, this is the kid whose introduction in the pilot found him looting a shop. Despite his earnestness, it was hard to take him at face value here; until, that is, that wonderful scene in Sisko’s office—which, I have to say, ranks among my favourite scenes of the entire franchise. Both Aron Einsenberg and Avery Brooks are utterly tremendous in one of the most unexpectedly emotional scenes in the show’s entire seven years. There’s something wonderfully Star Trekky about this; about Nog’s desperation to better himself and strive to become all he’s capable of being. His exhortation that he doesn’t want to be like his father cuts deep, particularly as this begins the retcon of Rom as a “mechanical genius” who has squandered his life living in Quark’s shadow. This sows the seeds of Rom’s own upcoming arc, and I particularly love the scene where he finally stands up to his domineering brother and lends Nog his support for joining Starfleet.

This whole sub-plot is just wonderful, and is frankly miles better than any of the Wesley-joining-Starfleet material we got on TNG. Given what we’ve seen of Nog in the past, this story perhaps had the potential to seem contrived and phoney, but it’s a testament to the writing and acting that it all works so beautifully.

Although I’m not aware of any real thematic connections with the Nog storyline, the Odo/Kira plot is also strong, although I found it altogether more difficult to watch, for reasons I’ll elaborate on in a moment. This is a story with a killer twist, and one that, being in the UK and months behind the US airings, was spoiled for me beforehand. It’s set up nicely and I think works well for the most part.

In spite of the start of the season promising to forever change the status quo, it’s surprising that, aside from the lone Jem’Hadar boy in “The Abandoned”, we’ve seen NOTHING of the Dominion since. This, therefore, serves as a welcome reminder that the threat still exists and demonstrates the insidious and duplicitous nature of Dominion’s reconnaissance and intel gathering. It’s also unnerving to realise that the Founders’ ability to mimic others is, despite appearances, far superior to Odo’s, seeding the idea that basically anyone might be a Changeling. I have to say that although she’s only on screen for a couple of minutes, Salome Jens is supremely unnerving and sinister as the soft-spoken matriarch of the Great Link. We won’t see her again for a season and a half (the fourth season finale “Broken Link”, if I recall), but she certainly leaves an impression.

This storyline brings to the fore Odo’s unrequited feelings for Kira, in a painful admission that’s beautifully performed by Rene Auberjonois. It’s utterly tragic that the only thing that tips off Odo to the fact this Kira is an imposter are the words “I love you, too”. It’s hard not to feel for the Constable. If there’s one big problem with these scenes it’s on the production side. The crystal blob that’s supposedly devouring Kira’s body looks like something we might have seen on the TOS set thirty years earlier. I feel it may have worked better had the crystal been created in post-production with visual effects rather than this cumbersome and unconvincing prop; although that may have broken the budget in an episode which already featured a number of morphing effects. Between that and the drab cave set, it’s not a great episode visually.

I also have to address the elephant in the room, and the reason I find this a difficult and unpleasant episode to watch. During the filming of this episode Nana Visitor endured a horrific experience (one that she’s only publicly spoken about in the past couple of years), which left her with terrible PTSD. I don’t want to go into details in this thread, but knowing what I know now makes this a painful episode to watch. Basically, in seven years, we never see Kira quite as broken as she is here, and I can’t shake the feeling that Nana’s tears throughout the cave scenes are real tears. Many have reasoned that her “off” performance was because this isn’t actually Kira, and that may be partly the reason. But I recall even back around the time of this episode, Rene Auberjonois mentioning in an interview that Nana had undergone a horrible ordeal and how desperately worried he was about her. To confound matters, It didn’t help that she is also claustrophobic and found it hellish being strapped into that piece-of-shit prop for hours on end. So, yeah, while I overall think this is a strong storyline, I find it difficult to watch, because the anguish and pain is basically too real. It’s a rare example of a real-life situation behind the scenes colouring how I feel about an episode.

Objectively speaking, “Heart of Stone” is a strong episode, nevertheless, and one that opens up a host of story possibilities that would span the rest of the show’s run. Rating: 8
 
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Great review. Did not know about Nana Visitor being assaulted – yikes.

“Heart of Stone” stands out in my mind as one of the most memorable episodes...a brilliant setup for Odo to reveal how he got his name, and being in love with Kira. Also as you say, strong subplot-- Nog takes his first bold steps toward becoming a Star Fleet officer, and Rom finally stands up to Quark.

One quibble - seemed a bit strange that the female Founder, head of the Dominion, would go to so much trouble trying to make Odo come back to the Great Link. Why was one changeling so important to her… and why impersonate Kira saying she loved Odo? For that matter, why didn’t she just have Kira killed off? Interesting that Salome Jens played the opposite type of matriarch in TNG “The Chase”...the source figure for many civilizations, trying to bring them together.
 
Although I’m not aware of any real thematic connections with the Nog storyline,
Projecting your inner truths. Both Odo and Nog come to the point of expressing their feelings.

ETA: Regarding Wesley: I've been wondering whether his growth would have rung more true had Where No One Has Gone Before had not made him a natural genius. Of course, it's hard to see someone fail upward as much as he does. Arguably, Jake and Nog are just as well placed, having opportunities to better themselves that others might not have had. But many Wesley stories are about him struggling and, at times, failing, which is often obscured by the number of times he has easy answers to problems that end up saving the day.
 
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One quibble - seemed a bit strange that the female Founder, head of the Dominion, would go to so much trouble trying to make Odo come back to the Great Link. Why was one changeling so important to her… and why impersonate Kira saying she loved Odo? For that matter, why didn’t she just have Kira killed off?

We'll find out in later episodes that The Founders consider returning Odo to the link to be more important than the war itself, and we have no reason to believe that the female Founder is any more or less important than any other Founder...she's just the one we have the most exposure to.

I imagine that for her this was pretty much a science experiment, just as she'll later sleep with Odo in solid form just to see what it's like. She thinks Odo is in live with Kira, but she's not sure, so she contrives this situation to force him to acknowledge it himself. Doesn't she say as much at the end of the episode?

I think she's also smart enough to realize that killing Kira (at least in a way that could be traced back to her) might be the worst thing she could do, as it would be the one thing most likely to ensure Odo would no longer want anything to do with The Founders.
 
Great review. You hit all the right points, and it's definitely an unsung hero of season 3.

I do wonder if it was a conscious decision of the writers to have Nog so badly shown directly before this episode. It definitely has more punch like this, so whether it was by design or a happy accident, a great maneuver.
 
I imagine that for her this was pretty much a science experiment, just as she'll later sleep with Odo in solid form just to see what it's like. She thinks Odo is in live with Kira, but she's not sure, so she contrives this situation to force him to acknowledge it himself. Doesn't she say as much at the end of the episode?
It is her hypothesis, but her intention is clearly to bring back Odo. The series consistently stated that once in the Link, voluntarily leaving was nearly unthinkable. We never see a changeling who was not on a mission. Moreover, being linked had profound psychological effects. It's a safe bet that if Odo learned from the Great Linkthat the Female Founder killed Kira, he wouldn't care.
 
Yes, the Nog-Sisko scene was an amazing piece of acting for both of them. The Kira trapped sequence didn't go so well to me, not because of Visitor's acting which was fantastic but because the situation seemed so wildly improbable.

Using memories of a horrible experience from one's past to portray emotions for the cameras or audience is an acting technique that has been taught for centuries if not millennia.
 
Regarding Bareil v Sinclair, after my last post I remembered one difference: Bareil sometimes gave off creepy vibes, for me. And I'm sure that wasn't intentional for either the writers or the actors, so I try to ignore it, but I never had that impression of Sinclair.
 
One quibble - seemed a bit strange that the female Founder, head of the Dominion, would go to so much trouble trying to make Odo come back to the Great Link. Why was one changeling so important to her… and why impersonate Kira saying she loved Odo? For that matter, why didn’t she just have Kira killed off? Interesting that Salome Jens played the opposite type of matriarch in TNG “The Chase”...the source figure for many civilizations, trying to bring them together.

It was one of those somewhat over-elaborate villain plots. It does beg the question how long she was waiting around to lure Odo (days? Weeks? Months?) and what she’d have done if he’d been at the conference with anyone but Kira. And also why she went to the bother of keeping Kira alive, lugging one of those suspension capsules all the way into the caves. But, I get the impression the Founder may well have manipulated events so that Odo and Kira specifically would attend the conference.
 
I do wonder if it was a conscious decision of the writers to have Nog so badly shown directly before this episode. It definitely has more punch like this, so whether it was by design or a happy accident, a great maneuver.

Indeed! It actually made me wonder if what we saw in “Life Support” was Nog trying overly hard to be a “good Ferengi”, much as some guys might overplay the machismo card when they have underlying insecurities. It may have been build up to his realising that, actually, he’s not really like “good Ferengi” after all and instead needs to become his own man.
 
Using memories of a horrible experience from one's past to portray emotions for the cameras or audience is an acting technique that has been taught for centuries if not millennia.

Unfortunately, it wasn’t so much that Nana was using memories of a horrible experience, she was actually going through that horrible experience during the filming. See below.

@ananta: Can't you tell us a little more about this ordeal you're speaking of? I did some googling without much success.

This is a beautiful, brave interview about it which I also found helpful myself. https://www.mindful.org/how-to-boldly-move-on/ Basically, Nana was on her way home from the studio either during or just prior to filming this episode and she was kidnapped by two men and then raped at gunpoint. Absolutely horrific, and yet she was back to filming more or less the next day. She’s one of my favourite actresses and seems like a wonderful human being, I really do wish her every blessing and a continuing recovery from this trauma. As I said, it makes this a difficult episode for me to watch, and I found her performances quite a bit more subdued for a long while afterward.
 
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Unfortunately, it wasn’t so much that Nana was using memories of a horrible experience, she was actually going through that horrible experience during the filming. See below.



This is a beautiful, brave interview about it which I also found helpful myself. https://www.mindful.org/how-to-boldly-move-on/ Basically, Nana was on her way home from the studio either during or just prior to filming this episode and she was kidnapped by two men and then raped at gunpoint. Absolutely horrific, and yet she was back to filming more or less the next day. She’s one of my favourite actresses and seems like a wonderful human being, I really do wish her every blessing and a continuing recovery from this trauma. As I said, it makes this a difficult episode for me to watch, and I found her performances quite a bit more subdued for a long while afterward.

You're right, that's horrible. I wasn't expecting something like that.
 
Indeed! It actually made me wonder if what we saw in “Life Support” was Nog trying overly hard to be a “good Ferengi”, much as some guys might overplay the machismo card when they have underlying insecurities. It may have been build up to his realising that, actually, he’s not really like “good Ferengi” after all and instead needs to become his own man.

The oddest thing is that he wasn't behaving like that with the last girl we saw him with, quite the opposite actually. It feels like a re-write of the character. Like when Data reverts to his initial self after years of evolution.
 
I didn't know this happened to her either. How horrible, and then have to go right back to filming.
 
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