If the ComicCon trailer is any indication, I definitely prefer the theatrical cut of
Suicide Squad over what Ayer wanted to do. But I'd still like to see the Ayer cut just to see an alternate version. While most alternate versions of movies aren't really worth the time, I do like the ones that are substantially different and make major changes to the tone of the film.
Daredevil is a really good example of that.
Interesting. I see that the Flash/Cyborg fistbump at the end was a Snyder scene and not a Whedon one. (Thanks to bluescreen technology being able to drop anyone into any scene, parsing out Snyder vs. Whedon material in
Justice League is way harder than the Donner vs. Lester material in
Superman II.)
So the eternal question will now be - would the Snyder League have made enough money to get the part 2 he wanted...
Tough to say. So much of Hollywood franchise filmmaking these days runs on inertia. As I understand it,
Godzilla: King of the Monsters didn't really make enough money to justify a sequel but it didn't matter because they'd already shot
Godzilla vs. Kong by that point.
Frankly, given how divisive
Batman v. Superman was, I suspect that Warner Bros. wouldn't have brought back Zack Snyder at all had they not already been neck deep in pre-production on
Justice League by that point. The Whedon stuff was a half-assed course correction that they should have done BEFORE they started shooting the movie but they didn't have time because they wanted the movie out in a year & a half. On the other hand, had they been more confident in Snyder's vision and released his vision of
Justice League to begin with, they no doubt would have been halfway through production on the sequel before they even got the opening week's box office returns.
In regards to Iris -- will we get a different type of Barry? Because the theatrical version, he says "i need... friends", which not sure if Whedon made him more socially awkward than Snyder intended.
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And was the scene with Henry Allen added or always there? If it was the latter, then it seemed like they "overdid it" with Barry having TWO personal scenes, whereas it seems like everyone else just got one significant scene with friends or family.
Based on the first theatrical trailer, which came out before the Whedon reshoots, the Henry Allen scene was always there and at least some of the stuff with Barry first meeting Bruce Wayne was also there. The "I need friends" line was in the Special Comic-Con Footage from July 2016, long before any Whedon reshoots would have taken place.
Speaking of differences, while I am waiting, is there any significant different of the Batman vs. Superman Ultimate edition that I should watch it , or certain scenes I need to skip to?
Not really. Certainly nothing that pertains to
Justice League. Some of the stuff with that African warlord in the desert is a little more clear and has more context to explain why they blamed Superman for what happened. But it still doesn't really have anything to do with anything in the long run. I actually prefer the theatrical cut. It's a bit quicker and has a better focus on the central conflict between Batman & Superman.
Always hard to say but after WW making $800 million+ at the Box Office, it was surprising to see JL just months later tank hard from the opening weekend rather than from a big 2nd weekend drop after a big opener.
While I don't think that us hardcore geeks have that much real influence on the mainstream entertainment landscape, I think that the normies do at least have a certain feel for when the geek community is or isn't particularly excited about something. So if a big studio movie like
Justice League or
Solo has a lot of bad buzz around it going in, I think that they have a sort of 6th sense telling them to stay away. Still, I am surprised that
Justice League didn't get at least a slightly bigger opening weekend just riding on
Wonder Woman's coattails. (I guess it's hard to have coattails when your outfit is so skimpy! Try a cape, darling!
)
WB and Snyder for me always got the early structure wrong. The Batman/Man of Steel/Wonder Woman should of been the opening 3 films of the DCEU/DC Worlds franchise and then move into a trilogy of teamed up movies with BVS, SS & JL. [...] I would of started with Batman Solo film because he's the biggest character WB have and his previous two movies made $1billion. They made Man of Steel in 2013 not 100% sure if they wanted a DCEU unlike Marvel who knew Iron Man was the starting point of something bigger.
Well, that's the thing.
Man of Steel wasn't supposed to be the beginning of a big shared universe. They first started shooting it in August 2011, almost a year before
The Avengers came out and changed everything.
Man of Steel was WB's attempt to do for Superman what Nolan's
Dark Knight trilogy already did for Batman. It was only after
The Avengers came out that Warner Bros. looked at it and went, "Ooh! Money!" and then tried to hastily assemble their own shared universe. (Based on the rumors I heard, they offered Christian Bale $50 million to come back for
Batman v. Superman but he turned it down. It would be interesting to see if the DCEU felt any more legitimate if they had retroactively grafted the
Dark Knight trilogy into its backstory.)
One thing that you gotta say for Kevin Feige is that he never panics. At the breakneck speed at which Marvel makes movies, it would be easy for one or two underperforming films to send the franchise into a chain reaction of failure as they constantly overcorrect based on some facile reading of the tea leaves of the previous box office. But Marvel seems to have a clear plan, a flexible one but still a plan that they confidently stride into and don't have to alter too much.
On the other hand,
Justice League reminds me of nothing so much as the scene from
The Wrong Trousers where Gromit is desperately laying down train track right in front of the speeding train that he's on.
