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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

Do you enjoy pie?

  • Yes, sweet, please

    Votes: 79 40.9%

  • Yes, savory, please

    Votes: 42 21.8%

  • Yes, any kind

    Votes: 80 41.5%

  • No, I'm a heathen

    Votes: 37 19.2%
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SITZKRIEG! said:
So do I. My favorite episode of TNG is Yesterday's Enterprise and my favorite series overall is DS9 which obviously had a multiseason war arc... but neither started out that way. With TNG, it was the exception and with DS9 they slowly built up to it (although I don't know if the whole Dominion war thing was planned ala B5 from the beginning). I also prefer characters over lighting but we started off with asthetics so I went with that. I can't say that I know much about any of the bridge crew after two seasons of DISCO other than Burnham, Saru, and Tilly. I don't even know their names and I can't be the only one because I usually see them referred to by their combination of genetic traits online. I can't say that's great character development and the reviews I've seen of season 3 (again, I haven't watched it ) criticize the show for that specifically even if they're generally overall positive. Saru is my favorite character in part because they expanded on him (in addition to the actor being good, the design/makeup being interesting, etc).
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Well, mileage (again) will vary. I recall Rhys and Detmer from the word "Go" (credit to Lorca) for making me connect with those characters in a basic way. Personally, I didn't expect to even have that, since the target from the beginning was a different style of Trek show where the main character was the focus, with less emphasis on the ensemble. Season 3 added to that, at least with Detmer and Owo. But, that's for my part. I personally am watching and reading faces and Detmer always stood out to me since Season 1.

Now, overall, I agree that going straight in to the Klingon War was a bit more problematic, but I owe that to the BTS chaos. So I work with what I got.
 
SITZKRIEG! said:
I can't say that I know much about any of the bridge crew after two seasons of DISCO other than Burnham, Saru, and Tilly.
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I think that's true of TOS as well. What we know about Sulu, Uhura and Chekov is pretty slight. Two of them didn't even have first names. Sulu is a collection of mostly one off hobbies. Uhura speaks Swahili and sings. Chekov loves Russia. We think we know them because they've been in our living rooms for fifty plus years and we've read tie-in material. Plus the actors are quite personable.
 
137th Gebirg said:
My college roommate Freshman year did that to me and a couple of others in our dorm. I was the only one that got stopped up for three days. It was weird... :eek:
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The one good thing about being allergic to chocolate is never having to fall for that trick or others like it. My frosh year of high school someone offered me a chocolate dipped dog biscuit.
 
Nerys Myk said:
I think that's true of TOS as well. What we know about Sulu, Uhura and Chekov is pretty slight. Two of them didn't even have first names. Sulu is a collection of mostly one off hobbies. Uhura speaks Swahili and sings. Chekov loves Russia. We think we know them because they've been in our living rooms for fifty plus years and we've read tie-in material. Plus the actors are quite personable.
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That is something that is hard to recall nowadays. 50 years is a long time for a lot of information to blend together and think we know more about these characters from the TV show than we actually did just watching the show. I think I learned more, or imagined more, just by reading Trimble's concordance. Fans like to fill in gaps. Except, nowadays, companies are expected to fill in gaps and fans do not imagine.
 
SITZKRIEG! said:
Thanks. And, fwiw, this is (I believe still WIP at the time in 2017) his Wedge Trek design. Again, it's a bit too faithful to TOS for my tastes but I still really like a modern looking but authentic to both the Titans design and TOS asthetics version.

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https://madkoifish.wordpress.com/2017/04/08/wedge-trek/

I too praise those fan films for what they did in that they were as close to 100% faithful to TOS as that was what they intended. Neither Continues nor New Voyages (at least from the interviews that I watched) intended for their fan films to be a modern version of TOS but specifically a loving homage to it. They weren't trying to change it and they succeeded in that goal (both asthetically and thematically) in my opinion. Would I want that in an actual new show from the IP holder? Absolutely not. Same thing with Prelude to Axanar. I liked the war setting/theme in Axanar (in part because my introduction to tabletop gaming was specifically with the FASA game from which it was derived) for a fan film as well (even if it was to be a feature length one in the original "plan")... but I'd not want that in a 2016 era ongoing show like how Discovery started (DS9 is my favorite but didn't start on that war footing). I also have different expectations depending on the budget as well. As for Discovery's sets, I think simply painting them base grey and putting in TOS accents along with proper lighting (seriously, that was more like lighting from Das Boot while they're being depth charged than trek!) that wasn't a Space OSHA hazard would probably have been enough for me personally in that regard... but they didn't bother doing anything on that bridge other than a few beeps and boops from what I remember in Season 1. At least in season 2 (didn't watch the third) they brightened it up significantly but the color palette still bothers me. YMMV.

TL;DR: It depends. What's great for a fan film doesn't necessarily translate over to a proper film or series (whether reboot or sequel).
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Personally I would consider that a 'Glenn Class' design. And I'm a BIG proponent of keeping a lot of the exterior visual designs for any current CBS Trek set in the 23rd century.

I didn't have an issue with the design of the Discovery BECAUSE it was supposed to be new highly experimental design. (Like the Flying Wing U.S. Jet design of the 1950ies <--- you didn't really see anything similar to it until the U.S B2 Bomber 40+ years later in 1997.)
 
Noname Given said:
Personally I would consider that a 'Glenn Class' design. And I'm a BIG proponent of keeping a lot of the exterior visual designs for any current CBS Trek set in the 23rd century.

I didn't have an issue with the design of the Discovery BECAUSE it was supposed to be new highly experimental design. (Like the Flying Wing U.S. Jet design of the 1950ies <--- you didn't really see anything similar to it until the U.S B2 Bomber 40+ years later in 1997.)
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Very true but I don't think the rest of the fleet is significantly more reminiscent/inspired by pre-TOS either personally. They are closer.. but still so so far away though I admit several of them have potential to be nice designs (like the Malachowski). I wonder how they'd look if they just simply had TOS style coloring and iconography...

I'd have been fine with the ship I linked in the post above as well. It has the angular nacelles like the s1/s2 DISCO as well as at least a 2d spinning platter in the saucer potentially to replicate the flippy spinny stuff the official one has with the spore drive. I actually just discovered this one tonight! :)
 
SITZKRIEG! said:
A few posts further up on the same page, there's a different modern TOS take on the Discovery by the same modeller.

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Ah, I see. I still find the proportions completely off balance with the ship. The design aesthetic is not my main issue, though the above is marginally improvement over what is largely an uneven stretch of a ship.

And, honestly, the TOS Enterprise and aesthetic of that ship is my favorite style. But, even in universe the Enterprise design was unique; "There are only 12 like her in the fleet." So, as much as the design, and lines of the Constitution class are lovely (my favorite Trek ship ever) it's also exceptional by design. So, while I love the Franz Josephs technical manual I never liked the shop and swap style with nacelles and saucers.
 
SITZKRIEG! said:
A few posts further up on the same page, there's a different modern TOS take on the Discovery by the same modeller.

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Okay -- this is a much better take on the 60s era TOS design aesthetic - I like it.

Serveaux said:
Did they really need the fidget-spinner hull?
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They stated it was needed to make the Spore Drive function...but yeah production wise it was more 'just because we can now' with their CG team.

Personally, I wouldn't miss the 'spinning ring primary hull' aspect at all - it's ridiculous in the first place.
 
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Noname Given said:
Okay -- this is a much better take on the 60s era TOS design aesthetic - I like it.
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I do too. There are authentic features to the OG Enterprise like the bussard spikes that I'm not a fan of and would prefer visually if they weren't there but I understand why they are and respect that he put them there as well. The only other change I'd personally make is increasing the size of the saucer as it looks a bit small in relation to the secondary hull IMO. I'm not a huge fan of the pyramidal secondary hull from the Titans concept art in general but I think he made it work along with the square elongated nacelles and gaps in various parts of the model (like the faux pylons here instead of the saucer on DISCO) that just didn't work for me on the DISCO ship.
 
Serveaux said:
Well, that's massively better than what STD went with - in most respects.

Did they really need the fidget-spinner hull?
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Need to? No. There's alot of things they didn't need to do but just chose to due to the fact that they simply can and because of the industry climate they work within. They could have just as easily had the whole ship do the flippy spinny thing (since it does anyways) and leave the saucer alone. Or just have the saucer do by itself in 2d like a spinning platter ala the variable geometry pylons/nacelles on Voyager but taking something that was a minor feature in classic trek to the extremes seems to be a goal of nuTrek.
 
fireproof78 said:
Creative people being creative? Jerks.
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I know, right! Everyone knows you're hired to work on an long existing franchise for a show that is specifically not a reboot but rather a part of that existing continuity to make it mostly unrecognizeable visually and tonally just because you can. Duh!
 
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SITZKRIEG! said:
I know, right! Everyone knows you're hired to work on an long existing franchise for a reboot show that is specifically not a reboot but rather a part of that continuity to make it mostly unrecognizeable visually and tonally just because you can. Duh!
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Oh, no. I can't believe that people are adding their own creative ideas to an existing franchise. The nerve of some people!
 
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