Spoilers WandaVision discussion thread

Wanda wasn't played by Elizabeth Olsen in in Days of Future Past, so even if their father was Max Eisnehardt/Eric Lensherr, there's a pretty good chance he wouldn't be played by Michael Fassbender anyways.

This was a great episode, it was nice to get to see more of Wanda's history.
I think at @Grendelsbayne has a good point when it comes to Agatha, we never really saw her doing anything outright evil. She's definitely not nice, but not nice doesn't always mean outright evil.
It felt to me like Hayward purposefully manipulated Wanda into recreating Vision. At first Wanda did not want to bring Vision back, all she wanted was to get his body to bury him, until after she talked to Hayward and he made the comment about reactivating or reviving him. I'm thinking everything that happened at the SWORD HQ was a manipulation on Hayward's part.

 

MCU has about 10-15 more movies to go before franchise fatigue. If WandaVision is any indication of quality of Phase 4 and beyond, MCU still has A LOT of potential and a lot of opportunities for X-Men to shine.

 

I hope you are rigth. But nothing lasts forever. Even the Disney Renaissance of the 90s ended.

 

The Sony deal and the FOX acquisition added to the shelf life of the MCU significantly.

 

I see it less of Marvel shrugging their shoulders and more of them easing the general population into the idea of magic into the superhero world. The same was done with other aspects of the universe, such as Tony's Iron Man suits becoming more advanced with each appearance that would not progress nearly as quickly in reality (if such things existed in reality). He went from individual parts that took a long time to nanotechnology in a pretty fast manner.

 

Or, as Aldrich Killian said in Iron Man 3, "Once the guy with the hammer showed up, subtlety pretty much went out the window".

 

The Mind Stone scene, Wanda was seeing herself.

https://twitter.com/WandasCape/status/1365287276092084225

 

I was gonna call BS, but I looked at the scene again and this is accurate.
https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/EvJNzNwWYAAZZu3.mp4

Buuuut, where is the image coming from? It's not Wanda, she never wore that costume. It's not Scarlet Witch from Earth-616* (*assuming that's the reality MCU is in), since Agatha just told her about it just now. So...?

 

I just think you're underestimating the difference between what is possible with real world technology and what is possible with MCU technology. Look at Stark's holotech. Remember how Baron Zemo perfectly faked credentials for the specific doctor who was sent to examine Bucky (with no proof that that specific doctor was guaranteed to be sent). Convincingly doctoring a short video in a day or two should be child's play for an outfit like SHIELD/Sword.

That's entirely dependent on what the stories of phase iv actually are. Far From Home takes place six months after the snap. WandaVision seemingly even earlier than that. Thor, Loki and Guardians may not even mention earth. Shang Chi and Eternals may or may not be completely self-contained and may or may not also occur directly after the snap. If you only go four or five projects that could theoretically mention them without hearing about them it wouldn't feel strange at all, especially if those projects only cover a year or two in time.

Plus there's no reason why 'no one seemed to notice' even has to be true. There could be publicly known mutants already that we just haven't met yet and maybe the concept of mutation hasn't been publicly understood yet so people - for now - just think they're just like other superpeople.

I'm not saying she's a big name, that's my point. If she herself HAD been a big name then announcing so late would make sense. As is, it really doesn't to me. Why wouldn't they announce her earlier with the other cast announcements? It's not like she was a late addition. And likewise, if she had been a complete unknown then you could say well they didn't care/think it was worth an announcement at all. But she does have some of a fanbase, so that isn't true either.

Was the dog really real?

But seriously, I agree there's a huge amount of self-interest there but it strikes me as 'something super-powerful and potentially dangerous is going on and I should get on top of it for the sake of my own existence'. I really don't actually get power-hungry from her at all, so far. If she was so hungry for power, why is the confrontation so long in coming and why does it consist of her lecturing Wanda about how powerful she really is? She could have tried to take the power by force or to trick Wanda into giving it to her.

I'm not really convinced anymore that the multiverse actually has any role in this particular story.

 

Well given the time and place, I'm assuming she was the cause of the actual Salem Witch trials. Using dark magic to make the local religious nuts extra paranoid and accusatory, getting a bunch of innocent and decidedly not witchy women murdered to death and/or possibly exposing the coven to the normies.

I think it's just a call back to the bit in Infinity War when they're talking about the stone, and she does the same thing with his head and says she only senses him, not the stone. This just means he's actually dead; his soul has departed his body.

Keep in mind that he only came out with that footage over a week after Darcy showed up, and 9 days after the incident itself. So he had plenty of time to cook up his very thin cover story.

Like say it being reconstituted along with The Vision by some crazy powerful reality warping chaos magic?

I rather suspect Monica's way of getting powers could be the model for how the appearance of mutants is going to work; that is multiple exposures to ridiculous amounts of cosmic energy. In 'Endgame' Rocket said the snap made Earth ground zero for a burst of cosmic energy the likes of which nobody has ever seen. The 5 years later, it was ground zero yet again for the blip. That's two exposures from anyone not snapped away, which could translate to 50% of the world's population being that much closer to spontaneous mutations. All it would need to make those with already some kind of potential (latent Inhuman decedents and/or whatever the celestials might have done to early humans) to mutate.

I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I have a pet theory that because of some celestial monkeying around with early humans, the human genome is rather prone to developing superpowers and that's the root cause of ALL enhanced abilities.

She...she killed Sparky!!!

Seriously though; it's pretty clear that she's not the mastermind here, just an opportunistic trickster. A fly in the ointment. The Hex was already up when she arrived; indeed the reason she showed up at all. She just wants to know how Wanda pulled it off, presumably so she could attain the power for herself.

Was that even in question? I just assumed that was the case a first glance given the very recognisable silhouette of the classic Scarlet Witch costume (that's already appeared once on this show.)

I'm not saying this is necessarily what's happening, but her powers did give Tony a vison of the future...albeit filtered or indeed fabricated wholesale though his own anxieties. So it's certainly *possible* that this is an accurate prophetic vision, but it could just as easily be part of Wanda's clearly fractured mind manifesting and taking on that image.

 

The MCU is not Earth-616, that's still the main comicbook universe. The MCU is Earth-199999.

I guess it's either an Easter Egg or a portent of things to come. I'm guessing the former because the MCU tends to stay away from more outrageous and "useless" costume elements such as Wanda's headdress in the comics - the costumes are more or less functional and practical in the movies so far.

 

We've known what Avenger she was playing all along. They never hid her name, and I'm pretty sure Marvel has referred to her as The Scarlet Witch in promotional material, even though they've never used it in the movies.

I'm assuming since we now have a Vision that probably won't have his memories or personality who can exist outside The Hex, and a Vision with his personality that can't leave The Hex, the two will end up merged, and that is how they'll have Visions stick around after the show is over.

 

If they can't get John DeLancie to reprise Q in Picard anytime, I'd be fine with Kathryn Hahn taking over. She was really channeling Q in this episode.

 

I kind of wonder (hurhurhur) whether he's the Bee Keeper we saw in the second episode. Would kinda make sense to have him investigating the Hex and all.

 

I just thought she was seeing someone wearing a similar costume.

 

So, he altered his appearance to be undercover as a random SWORD guy?
We saw him getting into a hazmat suit and transform into the beekeeper in episode 4, right?

 

I mean, for the sake or argument; if this were a show about say Clark Kent and there's a scene where he has a magical vision and you get pretty much the same shot but with the silhouette of a cape wearing dude with his underpants on the outside; or about Bruce Wayne and said silhouette is of the pointy eared, skulking in the shadows persuasion, what other conclusion could one reasonably make without being deliberately obtuse?

 

Maybe so in all of those cases, but it's still a long time since Infinity War and Endgame for the audiences. If mutants are to be brought into the fold in a dramatic fashion, however so, I think it's more likely to have that event to occur relatively more recent than a film way back in 2018 and 2019, which may feel "a long time ago" whenever the mutants are introduced in Phase 5 or later (I seriously doubt it'll happen anytime in Phase 4). Maybe I'm overthinking this but it feels like the idea of (re)introducing mutants into the film world will want to have a more recent connection than something that happened years before.

I am because we haven't gotten a full answer about what's going on with Pietro, plus the fact that WandaVision is suppose to lead directly in to Multiverse of Madness.

Oh, duh. That makes a lot of sense. Unless stated otherwise, I'm going to assume that you're right about that assumption.

Yeah, that's more or less what I thought initially as well, but based on previous posts, I'm willing to accept that the gap between Tony's snap and Wanda's visit to SWORD might have been longer than I originally thought and therefore this was a deliberate staging for Wanda's benefit.

Yeah, I can see that being part of what creates mutants but like I said to Grendelsbayne, I think the final catalyst that causes mutants to awaken is going to happen at the end of Phase 4. Perhaps the two snaps play a major part in that process, but the final trigger doesn't happen until later (whether it's because of the Mind Stone or not, this universe's or some other one).

That makes a lot sense especially considering the nature of the Eternals. I have a feeling at least part of your theory will be confirmed by their film.

 

I'm amazed people still think there's a secret villain to be revealed. I'm sure Mephisto and Nightmare will turn up in the MCU sooner or later, maybe even in Dr Strange 2, but that's not the story this series has been telling.

Oh, and while I wouldn't rule out a mid-credits cameo by Benidict, Bettany was totally talking about himself, the scamp.