Anyone's opinion of NEM improve because of "Star Trek: Picard"?

[Turtletrekker]

I can judge it a little less harshly now because it is no longer the final word on these characters. Similar to the original trilogy of X-Men movies, The Last Stand was not a good way to end these character stories. But with the release of Days of Future Past, which was much better, I could look at The Last Stand as a bump in the road rather than a beloved franchise going out with a whimper. Same goes with Nemesis and Picard.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Nah, NEM is still bad.

And I'm not too nuts about how S1 of PIC ended, either.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Despite Michael Chabon's best efforts to retroactively redeem Nemesis during Picard's first season, you can't polish a turd. Nemesis is still an utter disappointment on virtually every level (except maybe the visual effects and Goldsmith's score). It lacked the camaraderie of Insurrection, and even the "tried hard but fell short" spirit of The Final Frontier. It's just there. And it's practically criminal the way they totally wasted Ron Perlman in that film. You never, ever waste a Ron Perlman performance.

 

[somebuddyX]

I only just realised Picard rammed the Enterprise-E's version of Ten Forward right into Shinzon's starship. I guess Guinan wasn't in the bar that day though or Picard sent her a heads up and she legged it.

 

[Vger23]

I only just realised Picard rammed the Enterprise-E's version of Ten Forward right into Shinzon's starship. I guess Guinan wasn't in the bar that day though or Picard sent her a heads up and she legged it.

Honest question- did the Enterprise E even have a 10-Forward lounge, and was Guinan even aboard? I don’t think either is the case.

 

[somebuddyX]

Honest question- did the Enterprise E even have a 10-Forward lounge, and was Guinan even aboard? I don’t think either is the case.

I'm not sure. There's probably a bar somewhere and we never saw her onboard but she could have been offscreen. I just couldn't stop laughing about the idea of some poor bartender looking out the window and seeing Shinzon's ship getting closer and closer...

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Honest question- did the Enterprise E even have a 10-Forward lounge, and was Guinan even aboard? I don’t think either is the case.

Yeah, we don't have any reason to assume that Guinan was aboard the Enterprise-E. We know that she showed up for Riker and Troi's wedding in Alaska, and that's it.

 

[Lord Garth]

I think if the Enterprise-E had a version of Ten-Forward, we would've seen it in Insurrection. That scene toward the beginning with Regent Cuzar (I know I probably spelled it wrong). If it were an actual episode of TNG, a scene like that would've been in Ten-Forward for sure.

 

[jackoverfull]

Honest question- did the Enterprise E even have a 10-Forward lounge, and was Guinan even aboard? I don’t think either is the case.

i’m 99% sure Guinan is not working on the Enterprise-E: she should have showed up in first contact otherwise, at the very least (and behind the scenes info confirms she’s not part of the crew, as the new enterprise doesn’t carry civilians).

But yes, someone would have been killed for sure when Picard rammed the Scimitar. But after all his idea was to engage self-destruct, so he probably didn’t mind killing a few crewmen a couple of minutes early.

 

[fireproof78]

Death is accepted in the future.

 

[Relayer1]

NEM is still my favourite TNG movie. Don't get me wrong, I know it's not very good, but I think all four are crap. It's just that NEM is a bit more enjoyable.

I liked Picard.

 

[jackoverfull]

Death is accepted in the future.

according to Roddenberry even a 10 year old is fine with his parents dying!

On the “bright” side, there are no civilians on the Enterprise-E, so the crewmen dying during the ramming technically died in battle, something they clearly knew might have happened when they had signed up for starfleet.

 

[Crusher Disciple]

Nope. The music was great, the Romulus sets were fun to watch. Other than that, I'd rather have my teeth pulled.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

PIC made me appreciate the events that occurred in NEM a little bit more, but as for the movie itself...I think watching TFF is more entertaining if I'm gonna sit down for a 'bad' ST movie.

 

[Coops]

If I had to change one thing in Nemesis it would probably to swap that Tom Hardy for todays Tom Hardy. The 2001 Shinzon could stuff spare knives wherever he likes but he still won't intimidate a drunk Grandma. Meanwhile 2021 Shinzon, with an actor that's aged and learnt more of the craft, could well become a memorable villain, and with a memorable villain you might just end up with a more memorable movie.

I guess Tom Hardy these days doesn't really resemble Patrick Stewart but I don't think, beyond the shaved head, he really did back then, either.

 

[JediKnightButler]

Nemesis will never be my favorite Star Trek Movie. But A) I really like the soundtrack for this movie, B) I think it does a good job of unintentionally laying groundwork for Star Trek: Picard, and C) The fact that this is no longer the note the 24th Century ends on takes the sting out of it.

I'm still not too keen on the early-2000s CGI, but it is what it is.

I greatly appreciated the continuity from Nemesis and I feel that we got better closure with Data's death in Picard than the "bare bones" memorial for Data in Nemesis (which was significantly more understated than Tasha Yar's holographic memorial service in "Skin of Evil"). I'm sort of disappointed they didn't try to use B-4 as a vehicle for Data to return as in the "Countdown" (to Star Trek 09) comics, but I can live with that. It just wasn't meant to be. Come to think of it, I really appreciate the continuity that Picard has with the Kelvinverse- because of the Supernova that destroyed Romulus, which, of course, is a key plot point for the Picard series and Picard's post-TNG character development in general.

 

[JediKnightButler]

If I had to change one thing in Nemesis it would probably to swap that Tom Hardy for todays Tom Hardy. The 2001 Shinzon could stuff spare knives wherever he likes but he still won't intimidate a drunk Grandma. Meanwhile 2021 Shinzon, with an actor that's aged and learnt more of the craft, could well become a memorable villain, and with a memorable villain you might just end up with a more memorable movie.

I guess Tom Hardy these days doesn't really resemble Patrick Stewart but I don't think, beyond the shaved head, he really did back then, either.

It would have been a lot more realistic if they just had Patrick Stewart play both Picard AND Shinzon in ST: Nemesis. With the technology back then, it certainly was doable. I'm sort of mystified that they chose not to go that route. Has Patrick Stewart or John Logan ever been asked about that? Hardy is a decent actor to be sure, but with stories about dopplegangers and clones, it just makes more sense to use the same actor, like they already did several times in TNG with Data and Lore. But I guess they had their reasons.........

 

[jackoverfull]

They wanted a significantly younger Picard, with early 2000s technology that was definitely *not* doable. Even today it’s not easy business (as much as I loved a certain scene in mandalorian I’ll be the first to say that it’s wasn’t completely convincing).

 

[Nyotarules]

I never had a bad opinion of Nemesis, I had no objection's to Data's death. I did object to his supposed nondeath and second death in Picard

 

[jackoverfull]

Yeah, especially the way he decided to just pull the plug when he could easily have a new body and love again (even a body that aged and eventually die, like picard!!!!) doesn’t make any sense to me. He has the option of becoming so close to being human that it would be really hard to determine if he was human or not and instead...he wants to die.