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Hyperion?
Not really seeing it. Snyderman seems more influenced by DC products like Watchmen and the Dark Knight Returns.
Snyder's Superman is not how Marvel would portray him at all. If anything he's like some niche DC comic aimed primarily at a dark audience.
You want a Marvel-style Superman, read John Byrne's run. What DC did post-Crisis was to hire some of Marvel's top creators to reinvent their characters in a style similar to their acclaimed Marvel work, e.g. Frank Miller's Daredevil and Byrne's Fantastic Four.
Snyder's approach is just to make the same mistake that comics creators have been making since the '80s -- assuming that Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns are the template for all superhero stories rather than deconstructions thereof.
Snyder's approach is just to make the same mistake that comics creators have been making since the '80s -- assuming that Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns are the template for all superhero stories rather than deconstructions thereof.
Snyder created a Superman who responded to realistic emotions from those who would not naturally grin a him as their Daddy. Marvel--particularly the Marvel of the past 25+ years would never take the character in that direction at all. The closest Marvel ever came to that kind of refreshing adaptation was something completely removed from the standard Marvel continuity/approach, which was Ross and Busiek's Marvels (1994), where characters were not collectively caught in uproarious love / worship for grinning superheroes, but were treated based on the hero's behavior and what perceptions that created among the population. In other words, Marvels was the biggest outlier in two generations and it would need to be if they were doing anything like Snyder's bold, timely handling of Superman..
Agreed.
Okay, Wonder Woman's beehive or pompadour or whatever that is looks just as weird in motion as it did in the still image.
The inclusion of the Flash from the future (or rather, the present) is unexpected.
The inclusion of the Flash from the future (or rather, the present) is unexpected.
I always thought the Marvel comics alien Shiar character,
] (of Dark Phoenix saga fame from the comics), was Marvel's take on DC's Superman?https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Kallark_(Earth-616)
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They got a million of them.
Though technically, Guardian is a take on Superboy since the Imperial Guard is a take on the Legion of Super-Heroes.
Hyperion was their first homage, IIRC as part of their JLA homage the Squadron Sinister/Supreme
Like I said, Marvel has a million of them. Omega the Unknown was an interesting take.
Seeing how well Marvel did Captain America and Luke Cage, I gotta' believe their Superman would be far better than Snyders.
How so?
I always thought the Marvel comics alien Shiar character,'Guardian''Gladiator' [sue me - I mistyped. Even AFter I read Gladiator on the p[age I still typed Guardian
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Kallark_(Earth-616)
Marvel has a few Superman stand-ins, the main ones being Hyperion, Gladiator and the Sentry.
Of course, Hyperion is a villain, Gladiator always a minor character since him and the Imperial Guard were really just an in-joke and The Sentry was designed to be a total psychological wreck.
Frankly, the way the MCU made folks realize how cool Captain America could be shows that a Superman character can be played straight and be well received.
The DCEU Superman is not a 'deconstruction' of anything, and is as classically representative of the character as depicted in the comics as any other live-action version has been, but with a nuance and realness that makes him relatable.
Marvel may have owned and "done" Captain America, but Cap was created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby in 1941, pre-Marvel, for Timely Comics. Stan Lee was promoted to editor at Timely after Simon and Kirby left Timely late in 1941.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Lee
My point is, if you are going to look to Cap as a superhero icon, you really have to look to Simon and Kirby, who were not bound to Marvel, and not Marvel, as the source. Kirby's contributions to the Superman mythos are significant: he created Darkseid, for one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkseid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kirby
Agree to disagree so very very much...
Sorry: I was specifically referring to the MCU.