Spoilers Things that grind my gears about S3

[Campe]

In fairness the idea that a Mike can pick up my voice and transfer it by wire as electronic impulses and rebuilds exactly what I say in my accent half way across the world sounds like magic. And it has existed for years now

I'm not sure that's the best example. Radio technology and microphones have been around for well over a century now and its not that farfetched based on that fact to think that it exists. Think about it this way: What if a working flat panel TV suddenly appeared in front of someone from the 1700s? It gets turned out and the individual just wouldn't know what to do with it -- in absolute awe of it and the magic surrounding bringing moving images that look just as good as reality, they would be absolutely awed because they have no frame of reference. Or in a more apt example, if someone from today was beamed aboard a starship. Its something they've always known as science fiction. How would you react? Either thinking its totally cool, you're freaked out about it, or you remember conversations with your geek friends asking about how turning energy into matter and back into energy would basically mean that you've been killed and cloned. Then the person on the starship says they dealt with that problem. What's your reaction to that? "Magic!"

 

[Discofan]

Oh, yeah, the invisible magic.

I am always baffled by how fast we find the words to express our thoughts. Do you realize that we have thousands of words to chose from and yet find the right one in a minuscule fraction of a second?

 

[Discofan]

I'm not sure that's the best example. Radio technology and microphones have been around for well over a century now and its not that farfetched based on that fact to think that it exists. Think about it this way: What if a working flat panel TV suddenly appeared in front of someone from the 1700s? It gets turned out and the individual just wouldn't know what to do with it -- in absolute awe of it and the magic surrounding bringing moving images that look just as good as reality, they would be absolutely awed because they have no frame of reference. Or in a more apt example, if someone from today was beamed aboard a starship. Its something they've always known as science fiction. How would you react? Either thinking its totally cool, you're freaked out about it, or you remember conversations with your geek friends asking about how turning energy into matter and back into energy would basically mean that you've been killed and cloned. Then the person on the starship says they dealt with that problem. What's your reaction to that? "Magic!"

I would not believe it. Honestly, I think it's impossible so I would suspect and search for some kind of a trick.

 

[Campe]

I would not believe it. Honestly, I think it's impossible so I would suspect and search for some kind of a trick.

Hence the idea that its indistinguishable from magic. Thank you for proving my point.

 

[fireproof78]

I am always baffled by how fast we find the words to express our thoughts. Do you realize that we have thousands of words to chose from and yet find the right one in a minuscule fraction of a second?

I don't know what that's like. I take forever in a conversation because I can't find the right word.

 

[Discofan]

Hence the idea that its indistinguishable from magic. Thank you for proving my point.

I don't think so. Thinking that something is impossible is not the same thing as thinking that something is "magic". I don't believe in magic, to me it's just another word for bullshit.

 

[jackoverfull]

Simply put it is for storage and repair. The turbolift is a system designed to facilitate rapid connection across the ship for crewmembers at any point in time. A new system was set up have carts inside and ready to deploy at a moments notice, rather than waiting for a limited number of cars. This also means that more maintenance space was required to allow for fabrication, repair, and coordination. The larger space allows for easier access and material storage, rather than pulling it in from other stores.

How does this explain a space that looks bigger than the ship itself, though? And keep in mind it's all supposed to be above deck 4!

 

[fireproof78]

How does this explain a space that looks bigger than the ship itself, though? And keep in mind it's all supposed to be above deck 4!

I just figure its 32nd tech of a bigger on the inside space.

 

[Campe]

I don't think so. Thinking that something is impossible is not the same thing as thinking that something is "magic". I don't believe in magic, to me it's just another word for bullshit.

I don't believe in magic either. But, when considering this exercise in an academic sense, rational thought is all well and good. Confusion, fear and a little bit of adrenaline would probably take over, in reality, I imagine.

 

[jackoverfull]

I just figure its 32nd tech of a bigger on the inside space.

if doesn’t seem practical to facilitate repairs, though. And how about all that air in a normally uninhabited area? Or the fact that it would all be working the first three decks of the ship?

 

[fireproof78]

if doesn’t seem practical to facilitate repairs, though. And how about all that air in a normally uninhabited area? Or the fact that it would all be working the first three decks of the ship?

Since repairs would not be on going stowing them there makes more sense. Though I think the Bigger on the Inside (BOTS) tech would probably manufacture its own air while in use. So, the cars can be stored aside without air, minimizing space taken up, and then pulled out, with air put in when repairs are needed. Plus, not all repairs would require living beings, so no air would not automatically be a problem.

Simple

 

[jackoverfull]

Not really but nice try!

I mean, it doesn’t seem that convenient to cross a kilometers long space to repair the first four decks. And if it was for automated repairs they wouldn’t need air.

On the bright side, if they had this technology in season 2 it would solve the question if where they were storing that huge fleet of shuttles and drones. But they weren’t supposed to have it in the 23rd century!

 

[dupersuper]

as we've seen with Trek before, the best way to show the Roddenberry ideology prevail is to test it, question it or confront it.

Though if you keep going to that well it can get tedious...

 

[StarMan]

What the happened to the music that everyone was recognising plot thread?

I wondered that myself.

If I had to choose between "laying the ground work for a larger mystery next season" and "they forgot about it", I'd pick the latter.

 

[Belz...]

Though if you keep going to that well it can get tedious...

And what's the alternative? No conflict?

 

[jackoverfull]

I wondered that myself.

If I had to choose between "laying the ground work for a larger mystery next season" and "they forgot about it", I'd pick the latter.

actually they resolved it a few episodes ago, but the resolution was so underwhelming and quick that most people missed it.

Basically, it was a deformation of the kelpian ship’s distress signal. How it was picked up and incorporated by cultures all over the galaxy exactly is unclear.

 

[StarMan]

actually they resolved it a few episodes ago, but the resolution was so underwhelming and quick that most people missed it.

Basically, it was a deformation of the kelpian ship’s distress signal. How it was picked up and incorporated by cultures all over the galaxy exactly is unclear.

Really?

Did it take place in engineering? I think I know the scene you're referring to. Not quite sure what it was meant to add, if that's the case ...

 

[jackoverfull]

It did. As mentioned: really underwhelming.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I'm not sure that's the best example. Radio technology and microphones have been around for well over a century now and its not that farfetched based on that fact to think that it exists. Think about it this way: What if a working flat panel TV suddenly appeared in front of someone from the 1700s? It gets turned out and the individual just wouldn't know what to do with it -- in absolute awe of it and the magic surrounding bringing moving images that look just as good as reality, they would be absolutely awed because they have no frame of reference. Or in a more apt example, if someone from today was beamed aboard a starship. Its something they've always known as science fiction. How would you react? Either thinking its totally cool, you're freaked out about it, or you remember conversations with your geek friends asking about how turning energy into matter and back into energy would basically mean that you've been killed and cloned. Then the person on the starship says they dealt with that problem. What's your reaction to that? "Magic!"

Example of what ?

 

[fireproof78]

And what's the alternative? No conflict?

Here's my observations regarding the perfect Star Trek show based on Internet postings:

1. No conflict among the crew. Any external conflict must be resolved with mutual understanding by both parties by the end of the episode.
2. No fighting. All phasers are set on stun, including ship phasers.
3. Emotions are kept to a minimum.
4. Board meetings must be conducted to outline all tech solutions.
5. Exposition is always long.