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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

dupersuper said:
Meant to by producers cutting the runtime down for theatrical release, not by any of the storytellers. If that kind of murderer is your Superman, I don't get you at all.
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The producers had a sequel to complete, and knew what message they were sending.They were not operating from some imagined "Superman does not kill" edict. For the payoff of the film, the Kryptonian villains were killed off by the heroes, which was more than satisfying (after all of the terror committed by the villains) to the audience.
 
Why did they go with the 80s for the setting of the new Wonder Woman movie when she appeared in Justice League which was more or less the present day?
 
dupersuper said:
That was never the intent. There's a deleted scene sometimes included in TV airings showing the phantom zone criminals being taken off to jail afterwards. People who think Superman smirked then murdered a powerless opponent baffle me beyond words.
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But did Donner or Lester shoot it, and is Donner wrongfully getting credit for what Lester shot?
 
captainkirk said:
You can go "Well, actually" all you like, but the fact remains that in the scene Superman is facing someone who is now not a threat to anyone and at the very least breaks many of his bones all without any need.
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captainkirk said:
When I saw the movie I was probably 11 and my main experience of Superman were the Max Fleischer cartoons and Lois & Clark. And so my reaction wasn't "Eh, they'll be fine." It was "Superman just crushed a man's hand and threw him to his death." It was so jarring compared to the Superman I knew at that point.
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From before and in the same time, James Bond, including Roger Moore James Bond, tended to kill his enemies and still generally be considered (It's a Movie Fantasy) OK for kids. In the '90s comics Superman did try to kill Doomsday and the Cyborg.

You can interpret, especially as it isn't focused on, that they somehow survived but it's also possible to interpret that Superman concluded they had done too much wrong and the possibility was too great that they could regain their powers.
 
suarezguy said:
But did Donner or Lester shoot it, and is Donner wrongfully getting credit for what Lester shot?
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Everything with Gene Hackman in it (as opposed to his shot-from-the-back photo double and gruffer-sounding voice double) was shot by Donner, since Hackman didn't return for the reshoots. So the climax in the Fortress is mainly Donner, though I think parts of it may have been altered by Lester.


suarezguy said:
From before and in the same time, James Bond, including Roger Moore James Bond, tended to kill his enemies and still generally be considered (It's a Movie Fantasy) OK for kids.
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That's a really horrible analogy, because James Bond has always been defined in the original source material as a killer; indeed, his "licence to kill" is integral to the concept of who and what he is (and to his code number). Superman, by contrast, is a character usually defined in the source material (after the rough draft of the first few years) as someone who never takes life under any circumstances. So portraying Superman as a killer is an alteration of the character, just as much as portraying James Bond as a pacifist would be.
 
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