Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x12 - "There Is A Tide…"

[thribs]

I wouldn't say Mandalorian is the standard that Discovery and Picard should aspire to, but The Expanse is.

Or just Lower Decks. They had less time but they have have developed the bridge crew more so than Discovery

 

[Yistaan]

As someone who is a fan of star wars, in particular the mandalorian, i felt season 2 was a mostly meandering mess that relied far too heavily on gimmicky fan service and mando being a complete idiot for the sake of plot. The mandalorian sadly is a show that has zero faith in its main character and season two was just one big advertisement for all the spinoffs that are coming.

While I won't deny that Mando S2 had fan service and blatant ads for spinoffs, I still found it more enjoyable than S1. S1 Mando just meandered from episode to episode, running, oh no can't stay here, run some more etc. How much filler of Mando wandering around a desert landscape can even the most devoted Star Wars fan take? S1's plot could probably have been condensed into a 2 hour movie.

S2 Mandalorian actually moved the plot forward at a steady pace.

 

[fireproof78]

As someone who is a fan of star wars, in particular the mandalorian, i felt season 2 was a mostly meandering mess that relied far too heavily on gimmicky fan service and mando being a complete idiot for the sake of plot. The mandalorian sadly is a show that has zero faith in its main character and season two was just one big advertisement for all the spinoffs that are coming.

It's funny when Discovery does fan service it's bad. When Mandalorian does fan service it gives people all the feels!

 

[Fateor]

Nope, it been pretty obvious that the key component for the Spore Drive, Stamets' tardigrade DNA can't be duplicated. Heck he and Aurellio had a conversation about in this very episode. It's why Burnham had to get Stamets off the Discovery. To deny the Chain the key component to to the Drive.

Given Aurellio's knowledge of medical science seems to be below that of the 24th century Federation I wouldn't put much stock in his difficulties or claims of expertise.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm really looking forward to Osyraa eating a phaser, but before that happens, Janet Kidder should just PICK ONE ACCENT already.

She studied under Princess Leia

Interesting too how unwilling they are to forgive her despite all weeping for space Hitler a few episodes ago

I don't recall Vance shedding any tears.

You know, it is kinda weird that the Sphere Data wouldn't allow itself to be destroyed at all during Season 2 - and in Season 3 it just meekly transfers itself into three DOTs rather than actively resist deletion in the main computer.

I think it's more than three.

Aside from that, I’m tired of Burnham saving the day. I suppose she’ll save the ship, the Federation, the crew and Book and Book’s little cat too in the next installment.

I sure hope so,

Stamets learned they were extinct when studying history.

He probably has a vested interest in them.

 

[Yistaan]

Given Aurellio's knowledge of medical science seems to be below that of the 24th century Federation I wouldn't put much stock in his difficulties or claims of expertise.

Strangely enough despite programmable matter and gimmicky transporters, everything about the TNG era seems more advanced than the 32nd century. Note how Data immediately locks out the main computer in First Contact "with a fractal encryption code. It is highly unlikely that the Borg will be able to break it".

Meanwhile the supposed combination of the Sphere Data and 32nd century tech can't even stop Osyraa and her goons.

Even La Sirena seems cooler than Book's ship. Watching Disco S3 with Picard in mind feels like watching TOS with Enterprise in mind, wondering why despite the later timeframe the tech feels less advanced.

And Osyraa should have told Vance "Fine, if you won't accept this truce without putting me on trial, I'll broadcast to the galaxy how you allowed Empress Georgiou, a dictator responsible for more crimes than I can even attempt, serve in your fleet. Then everyone will know that Charles Vance is a hypocrite!"

 

[Nerys Myk]

Given Aurellio's knowledge of medical science seems to be below that of the 24th century Federation I wouldn't put much stock in his difficulties or claims of expertise.

I thought it was Stamets who made the claim.

 

[cooleddie74]

This may be only the second time the Dot robots were actually fun and likable, the first being "Ephraim and Dot(SHO)."

I like the hand sign they flash Tilly and the bridge officers when they say they're going to help free the ship.

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[Yistaan]

This may be only the second time the Dot robots were actually fun and likable, the first being "Ephraim and Dot(SHO)."

Cut scene from Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan

Scotty: Admiral, I tried to tell Spock that he didn't need to enter the radioactive chamber to restore warp drive! I had already ordered the DOTs to do it! But Spock went ahead and sacrificed himself for nothing!

Kirk:

 

[Fateor]

I thought it was Stamets who made the claim.

Nope, it was Aurellio who talked about having trouble replicating the DNA.

Mind you, the tech Aurellio had access to couldn't even cure a minor genetic disease, a thing they could do simply by Voyager's era. So his credentials there are highly questionable.

 

[Kelso]

Well, wow. This episode was wonderful. It was beautiful, it was surprising, it was engaging, it was filled with very good character moments... it was Star Trek.

Honestly, given the setup from last week, I was expecting a two week exercise in pew-pew. I didn't anticipate Osyraa's intent at all, and I didn't expect to suddenly find myself very interested in that character. As Stamets put so well, "I believe you that she is more than she appears to be... but she is also exactly what she appears to be." I did not like that character much leading up to this episode, but now I genuinely hope she survives the season to remain a recurring antagonist.

Bring on the season finale. This has been a wonderful season of Star Trek. I'm surprised and impressed that I am able to say that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

ind you, the tech Aurellio had access to couldn't even cure a minor genetic disease, a thing they could do simply by the Voyager's era. So his credentials there are highly questionable.

Every genetic disease? And what do we know about Aurellio's disease? Enough to know it's "minor"?

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Like Mount's Pike, the DOTs need their own series. Preferably live-action.

 

[fireproof78]

They would likely not be on a training mission.

 

[Fateor]

Every genetic disease? And what do we know about Aurellio's disease? Enough to know it's "minor"?

All genetic diseases were minor by the Voyager era, that's what happens when you can literally re-write a persons genetic structure as much as you want to no real detriment.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

With regards to Tilly, I genuinely don't know whst they're trying to achieve with her by making her first officer at this stage where she's isn't ready for such a role by virtually any metric you wish to use.

Tilly was still cadet not so long ago, she's now an ensign, and while a lot of stuff has happened in two years or do nothing about her experience or demeanor makes me think 'lets make her second in command and bypass any number of lieutenants, lieutenant commanders etc'. I'm struggling to remember an occasion where Tilly was ever in command other than the Mirror Universe play-acting way back when.

It would be like promoting Wesley Crusher straight up to first officer and bypassing Data and Worf.

Crazy.

I think this is not about Tilly, but about Saru. They are setting him up for a fall; his choosing Tilly s XO ("acting" or not) being among the signs he is not Captain material. Vance's looks and remarks in the last few episodes were quite telling. This will, of course, pave the way for Michael.

Will Saru be demoted, or will he step down voluntarily? My money is on the latter. Maybe he even decides to stay with Kelpian Kiddo? I just hope they won't kill him off.

ETA: I should have read the rest of this thread, @eschaton prety much said the same... I was lazy,, please ignore.

 

[Anduinel]

Good episode, but the high point was definitely Stamets going right for Burnham's throat. Really hoping for some fallout from that next ep, especially if the threat of the Burn gets neutralized.

 

[TheMadCloner]

The discussion around Vance, Osyraa, the Federation, the Chain, capitalism and morals was pretty neat. Some interesting material there, especially since Osyraa appeared to be genuine with her proposal.

Someone mentioned it was Vance’s Federation idealism vs. Osyraa’s realpolitik. I agree with that point.

 

[eschaton]

The whole discussion around Stamets's tardigrade DNA was totally ridiculous, because...we can read DNA right effin now with a spit sample. Consumer-based DNA services only look for certain key SNPs, but I know people who have had their whole genomes read...and I'm not even involved in genetics. This is one of those cases where it's painfully obvious not a single person in the writer's room has even a passing knowledge of contemporary science.

 

[Slugboy]

Was bummed to see Ryn go but it was necessary for Mitchell's character to finally see Osyraa's true colors and for the audience to finally realize she's dangerous. Was it just me though, or does her accent fluctuate between British and...not British? I couldn't put my finger on it but it just didn't seem consistent.

THANK YOU.......I had never noticed her having anything but a generic Canadian/North American accent before today.......and I thought I was imagining her sounding slightly Imperial today.

I'm really looking forward to Osyraa eating a phaser, but before that happens, Janet Kidder should just PICK ONE ACCENT already.

According to the actress who plays Osyraa (Janet Kidder), she was aiming for a so-called Mid-Atlantic accent, which is an accent that combines American and British accents. The Mid-Atlantic accent is a real accent, but a cultivated one (meaning that nobody is born speaking it, but rather they are trained to speak it). It used to be very common in early cinema, and also encouraged in certain boarding schools.

For an example of this accent elsewhere in television, the characters Frasier and Niles Crane, in the TV show "Frasier", use the accent as well.