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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

TREK_GOD_1 said:
^ By your judgement, the fact DC made a clear effort to jettison the Weisinger/Swan/Plastino type of Superman over 50 years ago leads to the conclusion that their version does not mean a thing anymore, thus the more serious interpretations of the DCEU are valid for / speak to the age we live in.
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I'm a month behind in Action and Superman, but let's take last month's issues as an example, what is so different about Superman now? He still feels like the Superman of those years to me, but with modern stories instead of "I can create millions of tiny me from my finger tips!". Can you point to what exactly is different about him as a character that I'm missing as I read his adventures monthly?
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
There comes a time where you can't keep going back to the "but 80 years ago, this was the intention" well, especially since that was the smallest fraction of his overall existence that every creator since then has ignored. The creator's intent doesn't matter even a little bit anymore, and hasn't for more than we've all been alive.
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Especially since creativity is a process of successive approximation -- you start out with an idea, see what works and what doesn't, then refine it over time to make it work better. Some people seem to think the very earliest version of a long-running concept is its only true, pure, and correct form, but that's getting it laughably backward. It's an axiom among creators that the first draft is usually terrible, and it's the later revision process that turns it into something good, if you're lucky. And when it's an ongoing series put out in relative haste, like a comic book or a TV show, that process of revision and refinement happens while the audience watches.

Also, what makes a long-running series remain viable from generation to generation is that it changes to suit the shifting tenor of the times, the evolving values of the audience and culture and the evolving style of the medium.
 
theenglish said:
That is reading too much into honest trailers--they make fun of every movie because no movie is perfect. It is satire. What is more they love to play on fanboy criticisms--doing that gets clicks--which is what they were doing in this trailer.
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Yeah, while I do tend to agree with the narrator is saying in the Honest Trailers, they are not actually serious commentary on the movies, they're just a joke.
TREK_GOD_1 said:
^ By your judgement, the fact DC made a clear effort to jettison the Weisinger/Swan/Plastino type of Superman over 50 years ago leads to the conclusion that their version does not mean a thing anymore, thus the more serious interpretations of the DCEU are valid for / speak to the age we live in.
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I'm curious @TREK_GOD_1, what Superman comics do you like?
 
The Realist said:
Dueling commentators, lol. You, me, Ovation. Evidently we're all tired of going in circles about this, so we've reached the point of, "Yeah, yeah, whatever, just read/watch/listen to this, knock yourself out." :lol:
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At this point, I'm done with the re-hash. I'll just enjoy watching Man of Steel. Once the new JL is available for me to watch, I'll have something new to say (or not--just because I've liked what I've seen so far is not guarantee I'll enjoy what's coming next). Until then, I'm off this merry-go-round. Looking forward to tonight's viewing of WW84.
 
JD said:
Did the DCAU or one of the Elseworlds stories have Wonder Woman and Batman get together? To me that actually seems like a better pairing that her and Superman.
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Christopher said:
Yes, in the DCAU Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, there was a developing attraction between Batman and WW. I don't recall how far it got, though.
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I've never been big on WW and Batman either...really, you'd think they'd clash the most of the Major League members.
 
DigificWriter said:
You keep telling yourself that.

I've presented numerous examples to refute that assertion, including my own experience in coming to appreciate the character of Superman.
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Oh, he will keep telling himself that, and seeking to sell that dried up Daddy/uncle version that DC's publishers shredded and dumped in the late 60s.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
I'm a month behind in Action and Superman, but let's take last month's issues as an example, what is so different about Superman now? He still feels like the Superman of those years to me, but with modern stories instead of "I can create millions of tiny me from my finger tips!". Can you point to what exactly is different about him as a character that I'm missing as I read his adventures monthly?
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If by "those years" you mean the Weisinger/Plastino/Swan period, then the current published Superman is a completely different animal; he's not used as a surrogate Daddy/uncle figure at all. Not referring to you, but I do find those who cough up anti-original Superman (which lasted for several years not a few issues as one habitual liar once argued) are the same who defend the Weisinger/Plastino/Swan period as some fixed, "original" period that should be respected as the only interpretation when ranting against any modern version (Cavill's at the top of the list).. The magnitude of their hypocritical position/behavior should be shocking, but its to be expected with this group.
 
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TREK_GOD_1 said:
(which lasted for several years not a few issues as one habitual liar once argued)
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If that was directed at me, I just want to state for the record, that I never once in our conversations intentionally lied. I might have remembered wrong, or misunderstood something, but I never said something I knew was untrue. And if I did find out something was wrong, I tried to remember to come on here, admit my error and apologize.
 
Yeah, that sounds like a good plan. It should a nice mix of theatrical and HBOMax releases.
 
OK, just wanted to make sure there wasn't that big of a misunderstanding between us. Now that I have HBOMax this thread had motivated me to finally give Man of Steel another go.
 
Sleigh Ryder said:
According to DC Films President Walter Hamada, starting 2022 WB plans for up to four theatrically released DC movies per year, as well as two HBO Max-exclusive DC movies.

The big budget productions will go for a theatrical release. But even for those, Hamada says they immediately look at what could be turned into an HBO Max spin-off series.
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It's interesting that the story doesn't quote the full New York Times article in which he goes on to say that Zack Snyder's vision of the DCEU is a 'storytelling cul-de-sac' and there are no further plans to work with Snyder once Justice League is done.
 
DarrenTR1970 said:
It's interesting that the story doesn't quote the full New York Times article in which he goes on to say that Zack Snyder's vision of the DCEU is a 'storytelling cul-de-sac' and there are no further plans to work with Snyder once Justice League is done.
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I still remain surprised they brought him back at all. It was clear years ago that they were unhappy with his work and intended to phase him out after JL (or during, as it turned out).
 
DarrenTR1970 said:
It's interesting that the story doesn't quote the full New York Times article in which he goes on to say that Zack Snyder's vision of the DCEU is a 'storytelling cul-de-sac' and there are no further plans to work with Snyder once Justice League is done.
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Except Hamada says no such thing. The statement is attributed to unnamed "studio executives" and while it says "at least for now" there are no plans to have Snyder work within the "DC Films blueprint", there is nothing anywhere in the article that states (or implies) that Snyder is no longer welcome for future projects. Given the multiverse approach they've elected to take, there's no reason why a Snyder project of some kind is impossible. Wishful thinking is no substitute for actual information. (And yes, it's entirely possible Snyder will not do anything else within the "DC Films blueprint." His lack of future participation is not definitively established in the NY Times article, however.)
 
DarrenTR1970 said:
It's interesting that the story doesn't quote the full New York Times article
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It's CBR. They never just post the info they have, they break it up into morsels so that they can generate multiple "articles" from it.

in which he goes on to say that Zack Snyder's vision of the DCEU is a 'storytelling cul-de-sac' and there are no further plans to work with Snyder once Justice League is done.
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Hamada himself doesn't say that, the Times credits that to just "studio executives" as opposed to Hamada directly.

Nevertheless, I daresay some people might not be ready for that bucket of cold water. I for one am glad to hear it. :)
 
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