so is it safe to say that we went from “Superman 1” to “Superman 3” with this movie in terms of quality?
SPOILERS - Wonder Woman 1984 - Review Thread
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Yep, the first half was very 80's.
Well, considering she's had it since 1946 (https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_20), I'd say that the boat's sailed on that one.
Like I said. I get that it comes from the comics. I still don't like it.
Here's the funny thing: I've seen this handled before by having host body be someone who recently died, for example Lucifer's mom in Season 2 I think it was.
Jenkins could easily have done it that way and it would never have been an issue. She didn't, and we're left with a situation with definite ethical issues. When they are arguing just before she let him go, she was so emotional and saying that she should have just this one thing.
They could have resolved it there and then with one line from Steve, "And what about THIS guy?" (gesturing to himself.) Make that the tipping point, where she kisses him, walks off, and renounces her wish.
I'd be left with a hero who gave up what she wanted most, not just because it was needed, but because it was the right thing to do. The way it was set up, I want to believe that was the intention, and then the line got left out.
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Yes, I am aware of all of that, which is I said a tiny part of me almost wishes. I would just like to see her get a happy ending with Steve, and since they're probably not going to bring back Steve the first again, then a new one could be a good back up.
[QUOTEThe Cheetah engaged in the fight was clearly CG.[/QUOTE]
Some of her was. Sorry, but I'm going to take the word of the woman who actually directed the movie, over what you think you saw. Like I said before, I read an interview with Patty Jenkins the other day, and she said that most of the fight scene was actually Kirsten Wiig on set in makeup and a costume. Obviously, some of the more exaggerated stuff was CGI, but not all of it.
I think they played at least a couple times during some of the action scenes.
No, the bad guy was Maxwell Lord, a mortal business man. And if you are referring to the person who made the stone, that was the Duke of Deception, who is a minion of Ares in the comics.
Wow, we couldn't possibly have more different rankings.
I'd go:
Birds of Prey
WW/WW84
Aquaman
Shazam
Suicide Squad
BvS
I've only seen MoS and JL once, so I don't remember them well enough to rank them.
I'd especially put Birds of Prey right up there as one of my all time favorite movies. I loved every second of it.
That's what I thought too. For the first hour, it felt like a hallmark movie. I was wondering if I was watching a Wonder Woman movie at all. It did pick up some in the second half (And the scene between Lord and Wonder Woman at the end with the Lasso of Truth was pretty good) but it took too long to get there. This was just an average to below average movie for me.
Well...........just finished. Wow. I really wanted to like this. I think Gadot, Pine, and Pascal all did great with what they were given, but this story was not executed well at all. From taking over the guys body to stealing a museum static display jet, which just happens to be fueled and prepped for flight, to an active runway attached to the Air and Space Museum (I've never noticed that when I was there) to making it from DC to Egypt without IFR............there was just too much for me to take this time. I may have like it more if they had been able to edit it down to about 100 minutes but 2.5 hours was tough. If you liked it, I am happy for you, but this was most likely my one and only viewing. Oh the little girl that played young Diana was a high point. 12 and did her own stunts.
This really didn't need to be 2 and a half hours long. REALLY. That opening with the Amazonlympics is a clear example: Was it a nice bit of backstory? Yes.
Did it need to be as long as it was? Nope.
Lord was a watchable, but he could've used with a bit more effort put into him, and Cheetah was almost entirely superfluous except to give us someone for Diana to fight at the end. I can see why Emma Stone passed on the role.
Gadot wasn't as wooden as usual, but they clearly brought Pine back because she needed the chemistry with him to make for a more engaging Diana than she'd be on her own.
And of course, we're left wondering why she didn't turn things invisible or fly around in the movies that are set after this.
Did it need to be as long as it was? Nope.
Lord was a watchable, but he could've used with a bit more effort put into him, and Cheetah was almost entirely superfluous except to give us someone for Diana to fight at the end. I can see why Emma Stone passed on the role.
Gadot wasn't as wooden as usual, but they clearly brought Pine back because she needed the chemistry with him to make for a more engaging Diana than she'd be on her own.
And of course, we're left wondering why she didn't turn things invisible or fly around in the movies that are set after this.
Terrible FM sound at the drive-in (it was fine when we saw "Bill & Ted Face the Music" a few months ago, at least after the main feature started). I had quite liked the first "Wonder Woman" and Gal Gadot was the best thing about "Batman vs Superman".
We had no idea why anything was happening in "WW84"! Too many long, dialogue-free action sequences and I think I totally missed how Kristen Wiig turned into Cheetah, and why, and even where she went. And why Steve Trevor was back from the dead. Or any of Max Lord's dialogue.
When the best things about a movie are the choctop ice cream and the retro cameo (in the post-credits sequence) there is a problem.
We had no idea why anything was happening in "WW84"! Too many long, dialogue-free action sequences and I think I totally missed how Kristen Wiig turned into Cheetah, and why, and even where she went. And why Steve Trevor was back from the dead. Or any of Max Lord's dialogue.
When the best things about a movie are the choctop ice cream and the retro cameo (in the post-credits sequence) there is a problem.
There was a magic wishing gem, that was practically a genie.
It was a cursed god thing.... From a Mayan Trickster god who was not Loki. Probably. Probably not. The gem destroys civilizations. Either because the trickster god is a #### or because destruction is a necessary step in rebirth.
Before the two female leads knew it was real magic that worked, Diana wished for Steve, and Babs wished that she was special "like Diana" which gave her confidence and wonder woman like powers. Which does make you wonder if Diana is only beautiful because of her god powers making people think that she is hot. It doesn't matter what she looks like, or who she is on the inside. She's subconsciously brainwashing every one to coo and supplicate.
When Mando got the gem, he wished that he was the Dream Gem.
Everyone gets one wish, but the gem exacts a detrimental payment in exchange for the wish. Now that Mando was the Gem, he couldn't make more wishes, but he could collect payment for giving everyone else their wishes, and he charged through the roof.
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That's cool that you saw it at a drive-in! Wish I was near one
I thought was pretty good. The downsides were a) the plot was both hard for me to follow, yet a bit too silly to stand up to scrutiny, b) the magic lasso is not supposed to have nine different settings like it's a pocket knife, c) intermittently was drawn out of the picture by how inefficient the pacing was - starting with that first scene.
I thought the performances were good all around, the attempts at humor all landed fine, Steve Pine's return and departure worked very well. The action was competently delivered (about any high-budget action sequence is greatly apprecated at this stage of 2020).
Also, this is the closest to a family Christmas film the DC universe will ever attempt, and I thought it worked very well on that level, certainly considering the movies we hold up as the best of Christmas film fare
I thought was pretty good. The downsides were a) the plot was both hard for me to follow, yet a bit too silly to stand up to scrutiny, b) the magic lasso is not supposed to have nine different settings like it's a pocket knife, c) intermittently was drawn out of the picture by how inefficient the pacing was - starting with that first scene.
I thought the performances were good all around, the attempts at humor all landed fine, Steve Pine's return and departure worked very well. The action was competently delivered (about any high-budget action sequence is greatly apprecated at this stage of 2020).
Also, this is the closest to a family Christmas film the DC universe will ever attempt, and I thought it worked very well on that level, certainly considering the movies we hold up as the best of Christmas film fare
Sydney only has one left and it was recharged in popularity as our Covid lockdowns were being eased. Shame about the sound system. Instead of speakers in the car window, they now use an FM radio channel, with a different frequency every so often (to fool the neighbours). Last visit ("Bill & Ted 3"), the sound was reverberating badly, with other voices fading in and out, until the main feature started, then all was fine. So we didn't panic this time, but the movie started and the sound never corrected. Sigh.
Did you get all that from the script, or DC Comics?
'Cos I wish it had been in the movie. Honestly, I did not understand one line of dialogue that came out of Max Lord's mouth. I only knew his named was "Max Lord" from the closeup on his business card, and then checking IMDb this morning.
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It was not nearly as good as the first one, but it was still great. Gadot is flawless - she is to superhero movies now as Christopher Reeve once was.
Enjoyed Maxwell Lord a lot. Was surprised by Wiig's physicality in this role. The climax was on-brand for the Gadot/Jenkins WW, and I was glad to see Lord brought to his senses.
The worst of it is that these folks let themselves be seduced into the current bog-standard, frenetic EVERY FUCKING THING IN THE FUCKING WORLD IS FUCKING EXPLODING RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! action movie climax. Leave that shit to the boys, let WW do her more character-focused thing.
Enjoyed Maxwell Lord a lot. Was surprised by Wiig's physicality in this role. The climax was on-brand for the Gadot/Jenkins WW, and I was glad to see Lord brought to his senses.
The worst of it is that these folks let themselves be seduced into the current bog-standard, frenetic EVERY FUCKING THING IN THE FUCKING WORLD IS FUCKING EXPLODING RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! action movie climax. Leave that shit to the boys, let WW do her more character-focused thing.
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They spent like forty five minutes on and off about the stone. You really need to see it where you can hear the dialogue.
Except for some people like Wiig's character, who gets two without explanation.
One wish from the dream stone, and one wish from the Mandalorian.
2 stones, two wishes?
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