Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x11 - "Su'Kal"

[jackoverfull]

They insulted her. As far as villain motivations go it was a bit tropey but workable.

Yep. They can jump literally in any place in the multiverse (or so they say) but chose to stay were they’re actively in danger. Makes sense.

Yeah, instead of wasting time insulting her, they should have black-alerted out of there a great distance. She only stayed because Discovery stayed otherwise she would probably have left. Disco could always come back later to pick up its crewmembers. When you have a spored drive, distance means nothing.

Oh, well, if we assume characters are total morons everything can be worked out I guess.

Speaking of her, what was going on on her bridge? Was she playing with the virtual backgrounds on Zoom or what?

 

[jackoverfull]

The talent of Doug Jones simply towers over that of everyone else. Wow!

yes, he’s great...and cool to se him as human.

 

[fireproof78]

Since its a scifi show, both the characters working together AND technology matter equally and should fit TOGETHER.
There's no point in making a show set in the far future if the story doesn't MAKE USE of that setting in a convincing manner.

That is a fair point but I think they fit together well enough. Perhaps I am not educated enough (always a possibility despite my efforts) to know what technology should look like in the 32nd century. Certainly I am continually disappointed by futurist projections so my skepticism is well earned at this point.

That said, I will lean far heavier in to the character side than the tech side. Yes, they should work together. No, the technology shouldn't come even close to first. Maybe 70/30 character/tech.

Yeah, instead of wasting time insulting her, they should have black-alerted out of there a great distance. She only stayed because Discovery stayed otherwise she would probably have left. Disco could always come back later to pick up its crewmembers. When you have a spored drive, distance means nothing.

Yup, leave people behind. Sounds like a perfectly understandable and logical decision.

 

[Fateor]

Yup, leave people behind. Sounds like a perfectly understandable and logical decision.

It's not leaving someone behind when you can return in an instant.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not leaving someone behind when you can return in an instant.

It is if you don't know what is going to happen.

Also, this assumes perfectly logical thinking on the part of the crew. Which, like it or not, they are not always doing. They usually have some measure of emotional investment in their crewmates, as irrational as it sounds. They might be worried about them and the possible consequences of leaving them behind with an enemy so close by.

I'm not saying it is perfectly sensible. But, man, I at least understand the emotion behind it.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Yup, leave people behind. Sounds like a perfectly understandable and logical decision.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Oh, well, if we assume characters are total morons everything can be worked out I guess.

Or when your XO is an ensign

 

[fireproof78]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

Indeed, yes.

But, not always remembered in the moment.

 

[jackoverfull]

Yup, leave people behind. Sounds like a perfectly understandable and logical decision.

they don’t need to stay just outside the nebula to jump back in once the shields are up again

 

[Discofan]

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Yup, leave people behind. Sounds like a perfectly understandable and logical decision.

When you have a spore drive, one kilometer or ten thousand light-years make no difference. You get that, don't you?

 

[Discofan]

they don’t need to stay just outside the nebula to jump back in once the shields are up again

What's so complicated about that?

 

[fireproof78]

they don’t need to stay just outside the nebula to jump back in once the shields are up again

If I am reading this sentence correctly then again, I agree. I just see where the characters are coming from.

When you have a spore drive, one kilometer or ten thousand light-years make no difference. You get that, don't you?

Again, it is very logical. Maybe the best possible course of action. Would have made perfect 100% tactical sense. But, there is that emotional connection that seems to have interfered.

 

[Fateor]

It is if you don't know what is going to happen.

Also, this assumes perfectly logical thinking on the part of the crew. Which, like it or not, they are not always doing. They usually have some measure of emotional investment in their crewmates, as irrational as it sounds. They might be worried about them and the possible consequences of leaving them behind with an enemy so close by.

I'm not saying it is perfectly sensible. But, man, I at least understand the emotion behind it.

Due to the nebula staying next to the nebula granted them no more information then staying a thousand light years away from the nebula.

 

[fireproof78]

Due to the nebula staying next to the nebula granted them no more information then staying a thousand light years away from the nebula.

Granted.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

It's Star Trek, just not good Star Trek.

I found the episode generally frustrating.

• The kid did it isn't a trope I wanted to revisit.
• The explanation of how the kid did it just was not fascinating. It seems too much early sci fi.
• Human Saru was pretty awesome. It was fascinating to see Doug Jones performance without a mask, but moreover, it was still compelling.
• The interaction between Burnham and Sukal was pretty neat, filled with both empathy and thought.
• This episode could have used a good speech about duty. It took things too far with expositing on doubt and feelings without coming back to what is expected of them and what they are willing to sacrifice in order to achieve a greater good. Compare to the good byes in "A Call to Arms."
• Michael, stop telling Saru what to do. Follow his orders.
• Tilly, stop looking for affirmation from the crew. Give them orders.
• Not sure what to think of the easy take over of the ship.

 

[fireproof78]

Not sure what to think of the easy take over of the ship.

This seems apt...

It's Star Trek, just not good Star Trek.

 

[jackoverfull]

If I am reading this sentence correctly then again, I agree. I just see where the characters are coming from.


Again, it is very logical. Maybe the best possible course of action. Would have made perfect 100% tactical sense. But, there is that emotional connection that seems to have interfered.

sure: as mentioned above almost any plot can work if it relies on the characters being totally incompetent.

 

[fireproof78]

sure: as mentioned above almost any plot can work if it relies on the characters being totally incompetent.

Or overly emotional.

But, sure, I'll go with incompetent if it makes people feel better.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

This seems apt...

And they don't even have pre-pubescent crewmembers or a psychotic killer, like Lon Suder, to regain control.

 

[fireproof78]

And they don't even have pre-pubescent crewmembers or a psychotic killer, like Lon Suder, to regain control.

We're doomed.