Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x09 - "Terra Firma, Part 1"

[Discofan]

I've watched it for the second time and now I am positive the way both Kovich and later Georgiou talk about the Terrans is more suited to Klingons than to the Terrans as we know them. Oh, come on! Seeking an honorable death? There's nothing honorable about their way of life, they keep betraying each other!!!

I stand by my initial assessment, they've retconned the Terrans.

 

[fireproof78]

It's almost like different cultures might have different definitions of honor...

 

[cooleddie74]

I honestly didn't see much difference between the MU in any iteration. TOS, DS9, ENT or DSC. It's all just different visual takes on the exact same universe and mindset.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I've watched it for the second time and now I am positive the way both Kovich and later Georgiou talk about the Terrans is more suited to Klingons than to the Terrans as we know them. Oh, come on! Seeking an honorable death? There's nothing honorable about their way of life, they keep betraying each other!!!

I stand by my initial assessment, they've retconned the Terrans.

Nah, they retconned the Klingons.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm a little disappointed that "bans against all reason" still seem to be a thing in the 32nd century Federation. Yor was sentenced to a painful death rather than breaking a ban to send him to a time/dimension he could live in peace. Thad Riker died horribly because of a super rigid android ban which couldn't be bent even for an android built solely for a cure. The Federation has apparently learned nothing and continues their dogma over reason policy long after Picard.

 

[cooleddie74]

Nah, they retconned the Klingons.

And did that in the 1980s.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm a little disappointed that "bans against all reason" still seem to be a thing in the 32nd century Federation. Yor was sentenced to a painful death rather than breaking a ban to send him to a time/dimension he could live in peace. Thad Riker died horribly because of a super rigid android ban which couldn't be bent even for an android built solely for a cure. The Federation has apparently learned nothing and continues their dogma over reason policy long after Picard.

Every century or era of the Federation has to have its own General Order 7.

 

[fireproof78]

Every century or era of the Federation has to have its own General Order 7.

Yeah, the Federation can be rather short sighted at times in its efforts to protect from harmful consequences.

 

[Noname Given]

I’ve heard this from a few people. I’m enjoying it much less! I guess it just goes to show how subjective this stuff is.

Agreed. For me overall ST: D S2 was the high point of the series. happy to be getting the "Strange New Worlds" series as a result.

Make no mistake, I am still enjoying ST: D more than I ever liked TNG (TOS is still #1 <--- Always will be for me - followed by DS9 and ENT from the Berman era); but I liked it when ST: D was in the BEST Trek era - and that's the 23rd century. YMMV of course.

 

[Yistaan]

Every century or era of the Federation has to have its own General Order 7.

I already guessed on this board that General Order 7 is still in effect in the 32nd century. Discovery's crew will find out the hard way when they go pay homage to the Tomb of Christopher Pike on Talos IV.

 

[Discofan]

I already guessed on this board that General Order 7 is still in effect in the 32nd century. Discovery's crew will find out the hard way when they go pay homage to the Tomb of Christopher Pike on Talos IV.

Tomb? For all we know the Talosians made him immortal.

 

[DaveyNY]

Tomb? For all we know the Talosians made him immortal.

Well, at least in his mind.

 

[Discofan]

Well, at least in his mind.

In the end that-s all that counts.

 

[DEWLine]

Tomb? For all we know the Talosians made him immortal.

Would Spock have sent the Talosians a full UFP medical database on humans to train up with behind the scenes of "The Menagerie"?

 

[Discofan]

Would Spock have sent the Talosians a full UFP medical database on humans to train up with behind the scenes of "The Menagerie"?

I think the Talosian played a bad joke on Vina. Why would they think that humans have a big hump on one side of their bodies? They could have at least made the assumption that humans were approximately symmetrical based on how they themselves look like...

 

[AlanC9]

It's almost like different cultures might have different definitions of honor...

I've read that differing concepts of honor was what led the Japanese to disaster at Pearl Harbor. Supposedly samurai culture didn't find sneak attacks to be particularly dishonorable, which blinded the Japanese high command to the political consequences of such an attack. The colonial struggle they thought they were getting into might have been manageable; convincing the US public that the Japanese Empire deserved to be exterminated was suicide.

 

[AlanC9]

I think the Talosian played a bad joke on Vina. Why would they think that humans have a big hump on one side of their bodies? They could have at least made the assumption that humans were approximately symmetrical based on how they themselves look like...

Agreed, but this is another one of those Trek things that doesn't reward putting any thought into.

 

[Discofan]

I've read that differing concepts of honor was what led the Japanese to disaster at Pearl Harbor. Supposedly samurai culture didn't find sneak attacks to be particularly dishonorable, which blinded the Japanese high command to the political consequences of such an attack. The colonial struggle they thought they were getting into might have been manageable; convincing the US public that the Japanese Empire deserved to be exterminated was suicide.

I think it's more elementary than that. It's the blind following of one leader. If that leader is an imbecile, he will lead you right over the cliff. Any system based on a unique leader, especially one that rules for life is similarly doomed.

 

[cooleddie74]

They weren't particularly adept at surgery, much less plastic surgery. They found an alien woman dying in the wreckage of a crashed spacecraft and had never seen a human from Earth. They did the best they could considering their culture had been devoted to illusion for who knows how many generations of their history and left behind most technology when their species almost exterminated themselves in warfare.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think the Talosian played a bad joke on Vina. Why would they think that humans have a big hump on one side of their bodies? They could have at least made the assumption that humans were approximately symmetrical based on how they themselves look like...