Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x09 - "Terra Firma, Part 1"

[Discofan]

Burnham: Carl, where did Georgiou go? What did your door do to her?!

Carl: By the time she's done changing the timeline, you'll find yourself back in the 23rd century, serving a life sentence for mutiny on the Shenzhou! You know, if your brothers had just let me have a starship 900 years ago, it wouldn't have had to come to this.

What does God need with a starship?

 

[Awesome Possum]

What does God need with a starship?

Lots of things.

 

[fireproof78]

That is growth for someone from the MU. They turn people into soup for not being good enough slaves. Plus I get the feeling that a lot of Georgiou's behavior is more a show than her honest reactions. She's acting like she's expected to behave, but she keeps slipping more and more as she spends more time with Prime humans. Just look at her interactions with the MIrror Saru, she shows kindness and understanding of him. He even points this out to her that it's unusual.

And it is great to see.

 

[Yistaan]

What does God need with a starship?

Dilithium.

 

[NCC-73515]

You're continued attempt to rationalize what he posted as if it's gospel truth even though you've already seen the episode. Even assuming that Carl is the Guardian of Forever taking on a different form, nothing done violates canon and I'm not sure how that's possible given the direction the story is going. It seems like it's going to end up being Georgiou having to decide between who she is now and who she used to be. It's more about her revelation that she has changed, something that every character has pointed out to her.

I have not seen the episode. Have you? Again, he flipped over PART 2.
Show me where I wrote that it's "gospel truth", or that it violates canon.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I have not seen the episode. Have you? Again, he flipped over PART 2.
Show me where I wrote that it's "gospel truth", or that it violates canon.

Okay, moving the goal posts then. We'll continue this again next week when nothing happens.

 

[NCC-73515]

Okay, moving the goal posts then. We'll continue this again next week when nothing happens.

What goalposts were moved here?

If you cannot substantiate your assumptions or accusations against people here, maybe you shouldn't make them.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Come on, it's Star Trek: The Wrath of God. This isn't Star Wars.

Burnham: CAAAAAARRRRRL!

 

[Romulan_spy]

What I am saying is that the fact there is/may be a/the Guardian is immaterial. His argument was that the use of the Guardian motif is unconscionable, and must be met with extreme opposition or hostility. He was not just wrong, he was lying.

Sure, anything can happen. However, that's not the crux of Burnett's argument, is it? He argues, in his tweets, that the Guardian of Forever is sacrosanct--no series would dare to go there, except Discovery, and ruin it. He is basically claiming ownership of Star Trek that he really does not deserve.

I don't think RMB is objecting with Discovery using the GoF, he is objecting with HOW Discovery is using the GoF. Big difference. He does not like that Discovery changed the GoF from what it was in TOS.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

So what, a Q masquerading as W.C. Fields???

 

[Awesome Possum]

Assuming that it is the GoF, what is it doing that's so wildly different? Is it the door instead of the donut? Because so far I'm not able to care enough to raise my blood pressure over this.

 

[fireproof78]

Assuming that it is the GoF, what is it doing that's so wildly different? Is it the door instead of the donut? Because so far I'm not able to care enough to raise my blood pressure over this.

This is my question. Is there some hard and fast rule about the GoF that makes it immutable?

 

[TheMadCloner]

Great episode. I’m always up for more MU debauchery.

Some questions:

- Will Jason Isaacs show up next week?

- Will the GoF pull another Edith and make Georgiou realize the only way forward is to kill Burnham as originally happened? Thus forever haunting Georgiou that she has to live with the evil part of her, but making her accept it as part of who she was so she can grow from it? That’s how I would write the story, anyways, lol.

 

[NCC-73515]

There could be several Guardians. This one could be the Guardian of Never, or the Guardian of Sometimes.

 

[Discofan]

Assuming that it is the GoF, what is it doing that's so wildly different? Is it the door instead of the donut? Because so far I'm not able to care enough to raise my blood pressure over this.

One would think that with a donut, he would be called the time cop...

 

[Discofan]

There could be several Guardians. This one could be the Guardian of Never, or the Guardian of Sometimes.

Or his little brother, the guardian of for a while...

 

[Awesome Possum]

This is my question. Is there some hard and fast rule about the GoF that makes it immutable?

None set up in any of the shows, just in the head canons of fans. But they think they own the show and no one can disagree with the thoughts in their heads.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I don't think RMB is objecting with Discovery using the GoF, he is objecting with HOW Discovery is using the GoF.

Given that Burnett HAD NOT SEEN THE EPISODE, this is unlikely.

 

[TheMadCloner]

One would think that with a donut, he would be called the time cop...

Timecop is JCVD’s most underrated movie.

 

[SJGardner]

Or his little brother, the guardian of for a while...

Don't forget the Guardian of 0.68 Seconds. For an android, that is nearly an eternity.