Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"

[fireproof78]

One would have to really squint to think crying is the one defining characteristic of Burnham's entire personality. Simply based on some of the comments here, one could be forgiven for thinking she bursts into deafening wails of ugly-crying every single time she appears in a scene, complete with snot bubbles, puffy red eyes and unintelligible blabbering. Then you put the actual episode on, and you basically see that ad with the crying Italian pretending to be a Native American from the 70s.

Indeed, yes. I notice it but it doesn't define her for me. And, it's weird to see it come up so often in discussion, like she goes around crying the whole time, instead being in the thick of the action, arguing with her higher ups, and having relationships.

At this point, I feel like I'm either OK with people crying often (possible give my line of work) or that I regard it much differently than others here. Or both.

 

[MisterD]

Exactly. Basically all stat trek lead characters had emotional intense moments...two three times per series, not every other episode.

The problem is: This is the society we live in now. Adults pulling tantrums and being drama queens for any reason. Everything is emotion and feelings and nobody gives a crap about logical thinking and dignity. In my country there are adult human beings who are comparing themselves to the jews during holocaust because they have to wear a mask and practice social distancing. Thats what a part of the world has become now. Constant drama fuled by ignorance and the belief to be the center of the universe.

I don't blame the show. It just partly mirrors the zeitgeist like TNG(end of cold war...hope and a brighter future) or ENT(911 in space) did.

 

[SJGardner]

And, it's weird to see it come up so often in discussion, like she goes around crying the whole time, instead being in the thick of the action, arguing with her higher ups, and having relationships.

It's not just the frequency, but also the magnitude... we usually see her shedding a single tear at the end of an emotionally charged scene, and yet some people are complaining as though she loudly wailed for five minutes straight or threw a Kylo Ren-style temper tantrum.

 

[SolarisOne]

Michael is now at about 50% Mariner now.

She better not go full Mariner. You never go full Mariner.

Go full Mariner. Go full Mariner! GO FULL MARINER!
[I'm pretty sure Mariner is my favorite Trek character now, period.]

 

[Yistaan]

It's not just the frequency, but also the magnitude... we usually see her shedding a single tear at the end of an emotionally charged scene, and yet some people are complaining as though she loudly wailed for five minutes straight or threw a Kylo Ren-style temper tantrum.

I like Burnham gets to be emotional honestly. I think the criticism is because people demand their heroes to be tough 24/7 and constantly ready to blow things up without emotional repercussion or vulnerability.

And although there are some accusations that criticism of Burnham's portrayal is based on the refusal of critics to accept having a female in the lead, I'm not sure this is the case for the majority of critics although it may be for a few who are using it to hide prejudiced behavior (those culprits were most vocal during the first season). Right now, Burnham's chief rivals in the streaming wars, Mandalorian Din Djarin and Witcher Geralt, are walking masculinity cliches I feel. I can only imagine the uproar if the Mando or Geralt teared up Burnham style in their show (and not in kid flashbacks like Mando's been using). The Mandalorian's not even allowed to take off his helmet! And Din Djarin's inflated sense of self importance and ego makes Burnham look outright humble in comparison.

Burnham gets to be both tough and vulnerable. The men in her rival shows only get to be tough. Someone's getting limited in how they get to realistically portray a full character, and I don't think it's Burnham. People want Burnham to be Cara Dune from the Mandalorian, all warrior all the time.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Suru

Saru

 

[Noname Given]

Exactly. Basically all stat trek lead characters had emotional intense moments...two three times per series, not every other episode.

You really haven't watched TOS have you?
(And I say that because even in the 32nd century, the ST: D characters are all 23rd century characters psychologically.)

 

[jackoverfull]

The problem is: This is the society we live in now. Adults pulling tantrums and being drama queens for any reason. Everything is emotion and feelings and nobody gives a crap about logical thinking and dignity.

I don’t know about that...I don’t really follow modern tv shows apart from Trek, Orville and mandalorian, but this insistence on trying to evoke huge emotions all the time seems to be a characteristic of discovery. Picard didn’t do it as much (it had other issues, perhaps, but not this one).

. In my country there are adult human beings who are comparing themselves to the jews during holocaust because they have to wear a mask and practice social distancing. Thats what a part of the world has become now. Constant drama fuled by ignorance and the belief to be the center of the universe.

Not only in your country, I’m afraid. But I don’t think it’s something inherently of today: I think that it has always been there, lurking in the background, and today’s ease to connect with people of similar ideas made it come out more. Also, politicians have a new way to harness negative emotions to get support and are totally using it.

 

[fireproof78]

I like Burnham gets to be emotional honestly. I think the criticism is because people demand their heroes to be tough 24/7 and constantly ready to blow things up without emotional repercussion or vulnerability.

I would like to point that there isn't the expectation of no emotionality, but very limited, and saved for the "big moments."

Saru

Que Suru saru.

 

[flandry84]

Maybe,having being raised by Sarek (not exactly a picnic)Michael has made the decision to just go big with her emotions.

On an unrelated matter,how do Michaels,Mickeys and Mikes feel about their name being non-gendered.As a male Rory it bugs the shit out of me.

 

[SolarisOne]

Burnham gets to be both tough and vulnerable. The men in her rival shows only get to be tough.

I find that whole trope incredibly tiresome.

On an unrelated matter,how do Michaels

My middle name is Michael. It doesn't bother me in the least.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe,having being raised by Sarek (not exactly a picnic)Michael has made the decision to just go big with her emotions.

I don't think she has decided to go big but rather with the sheer amount of stuff going on with her, past trauma, repressed emotions, I think she is just naturally going be experiencing these emotions in much more intense way.

 

[Hawku]

Still not sure what Georgiou's job is, but I want it.

 

[XCV330]

Still not sure what Georgiou's job is, but I want it.

I'm not sure Saru knows, either.

 

[Jinn]

Still not sure what Georgiou's job is, but I want it.

I'd say this season she's comic relief with a dark past who gets a darker story as the season progresses.

So she's basically Neelix.

 

[XCV330]

I'd say this season she's comic relief with a dark past who gets a darker story as the season progresses.

So she's basically Neelix.

OMG.... Sarugiou!

 

[Jinn]

OMG.... Sarugiou!

KILL IT KILL IT BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS!

 

[XCV330]

KILL IT KILL IT BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS!

it wants to eat itself, but its threat ganglia can tell before it does anything about it

 

[Lord Garth]

well, she’s been crying almost every episode for 20 episodes in a row or so...

I'm tempted to go through every episode one-by-one, listing when this does or doesn't happen.

You know I'd do it, too.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm tempted to go through every episode one-by-one listing of when this does or doesn't happen.

You know I'd do it, too.

I know you would. Good man.