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Say what you want. I speak from personal experience.
- I lost 35 pounds before this began. Most of it is back.
- I am dangerously depressed and have considered suicide more than once.
- My job is gone, and will not return for months, if ever. And it was the first full time job I managed to hold for more than 18 months.
- I am skipping a scheduled appointment because I can't pay for it.
- I was a part of the Northwest's artistic and musical culture. I'm not now. Right now, everything that gave my life meaning or purpose is a casualty of the lockdown.
- And without help from my family, I would have moved into my car months ago.
- And don't tell me to seek professional help. I can't afford it, and it never works for me anyway.

Nearly all of the people we've lost to Covid19 already had a foot in the grave from other causes. 40% were in nursing homes or similar facilities. Is prolonging one life by a few months worth destroying 10 others, or 20, or 50 in the process? You're entitled to your opinion in that regard... but I will also have mine.

I did not understand your circumstances when I posted above, please accept my apology. I did not in any way intend to offend you.

Greg
 
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Say what you want.
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- I lost 35 pounds before this began. Most of it is back.
If you are low on money because of the pandemic response, then don't spend money on extra food you don't need which then puts you at greater risk if you do get the virus. For myself, i still have my job, and my choice was to lose 25 pounds so that I would be at less risk if I do get the virus.

- I am dangerously depressed and have considered suicide more than once.
Well, some people had one foot in the grave, and others had one foot in the pit of despair. I do hope you feel better though.

- My job is gone, and will not return for months, if ever. And it was the first full time job I managed to hold for more than 18 months.

You should have picked a better career path, as I and many others did. Then you would have had money saved and would have no trouble now.

Nearly all of the people we've lost to Covid19 already had a foot in the grave from other causes. 40% were in nursing homes or similar facilities. Is prolonging one life by a few months worth destroying 10 others, or 20, or 50 in the process?
Valid point, but I don't want concern over one person with one foot in the pit of despair causing me to get the virus and possible die. After all, I'm doing great. Business is up despite the pandemic, I'm earning more money. I'm not lonely because I'm an introvert anyway. I'm healthy because I took care of myself, and I'm not prone to depression or anxiety because God makes some people better than others. As long as I'm doing well, the priority should be me not getting the virus even if others struggle financially. Everyone should make sure to keep both feet on solid earth and don't let one foot dangle into a grave, a pit of despair, or any other place that makes one an expendable person who should be sacrificed for my benefit.

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Seriously though, we all have different perspectives about the pandemic and the response, depending on our circumstances. But, there is no roadmap or game plan that can tell us the right strategy. Obviously, the two extremes of "total lockdown" and "complete freedom" are not going to be optimum. But, where is the sweet spot in the middle? Who can say? Maybe after it's all over, people will do a post-mortem analysis and identify what would have been the optimum path to take. No doubt, letting this become a political issue was not helpful, and is indeed shameful and will be a black mark on us when they look back in history.

This is a very bad situation that is bound to get a little worse before it gets better. But, it is going to get better soon. There is a concern of who will not survive, and also of who will struggle after survival. But, I feel the bigger question is whether we will all be able to look each other in the eye when this is all over.
 
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If you are low on money because of the pandemic response, then don't spend money on extra food you don't need which then puts you at greater risk if you do get the virus. For myself, i still have my job, and my choice was to lose 25 pounds so that I would be at less risk if I do get the virus.


Well, some people had one foot in the grave, and others had one foot in the pit of despair. I do hope you feel better though.



You should have picked a better career path, as I and many others did. Then you would have had money saved and would have no trouble now.


Valid point, but I don't want concern over one person with one foot in the pit of despair causing me to get the virus and possible die. After all, I'm doing great. Business is up despite the pandemic, I'm earning more money. I'm not lonely because I'm an introvert anyway. I'm healthy because I took care of myself, and I'm not prone to depression or anxiety because God makes some people better than others. As long as I'm doing well, the priority should be me not getting the virus even if others struggle financially. Everyone should make sure to keep both feet on solid earth and don't let one foot dangle into a grave, a pit of despair, or any other place that makes one an expendable person who should be sacrificed for my benefit.

(insert closing quote satire emoji here)

Seriously though, we all have different perspectives about the pandemic and the response, depending on our circumstances. But, there is no roadmap or game plan that can tell us the right strategy. Obviously, the two extremes of "total lockdown" and "complete freedom" are not going to be optimum. But, where is the sweet spot in the middle? Who can say? Maybe after it's all over, people will do a post-mortem analysis and identify what would have been the optimum path to take. No doubt, letting this become a political issue was not helpful, and is indeed shameful and will be a black mark on us when they look back in history.

This is a very bad situation that is bound to get a little worse before it gets better. But, it is going to get better soon. There is a concern of who will not survive, and also of who will struggle after survival. But, I feel the bigger question is whether we will all be able to look each other in the eye when this is all over.


Judgemental...much?

If I had been your boss your career path would likely have severely veered. But, I am guessing you must have e.s.p., so what's the point.
 
Judgemental...much?

If I had been your boss your career path would likely have severely veered. But, I am guessing you must have e.s.p., so what's the point.
Well, anyway, thank you for missing the point.

(for the record, my "judgement" is satirical and meant to ridicule such types of judgements)
 
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Say what you want. I speak from personal experience.
- I lost 35 pounds before this began. Most of it is back.
- I am dangerously depressed and have considered suicide more than once.
- My job is gone, and will not return for months, if ever. And it was the first full time job I managed to hold for more than 18 months.
- I am skipping a scheduled appointment because I can't pay for it.
- I was a part of the Northwest's artistic and musical culture. I'm not now. Right now, everything that gave my life meaning or purpose is a casualty of the lockdown.
- And without help from my family, I would have moved into my car months ago.
- And don't tell me to seek professional help. I can't afford it, and it never works for me anyway.

I am truly sorry for everything you are going through right now. This is certainly a very difficult time for many.

If the thoughts of suicide do return, I would encourage you to please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 1-800-273-8255, or chat with them at their website, located here. I know you said not to tell you to seek professional help, but this service is free. And of course, this applies to anyone located in the United States who may be struggling with these type of thoughts during this time of hardship.

As for the no health car/skipping doctor's visits: I have never been able to comprehend your country's hostility to universal health care. Hopefully something changes on this front soon, so that future generations won't have to worry about this. No one should have to choose between putting food on the table and seeing a doctor for a health issue.

Nearly all of the people we've lost to Covid19 already had a foot in the grave from other causes. 40% were in nursing homes or similar facilities. Is prolonging one life by a few months worth destroying 10 others, or 20, or 50 in the process? You're entitled to your opinion in that regard... but I will also have mine.

I suspect your opinion might change if you or someone you love was the person with the underlying health condition or living in a nursing home? I certainly don't agree with treating one segment of the population as "expendable".

Hopefully these vaccines that we've been hearing good news about lately all pan out, and we can soon start moving beyond our current troubles.
 
I don't see Covid19 victims as "expendable". However, I don't trivialize those whose lives or livelihoods were destroyed by the lockdown, either. For every parent spending quality time with their kids or worker skipping their commute and doing their jobs at a computer in their jammies with a throw rug wrapped around them, there's someone else strangling on their isolation, or living in fear of an unemployed and frustrated domestic partner, or unemployed and counting the months until they start pushing their worldly goods around in a stolen shopping cart.
 
True but it can't be altered at the moment, so we must somehow arrange our lives around these problems. We Europeans are in a better situation since over here we have mandatory health insurance and unemployment insurance.
And nobody needs to feel lonely at TrekBBS - there are members from all over the world and so there's always someone online here to talk with.
For those of us who have problems controling their emotions or would like to get advice from "professional depressives", I recommend the mental illness thread. Don't be afraid to go there, nobody will laugh at you or bully you. It's only human to feel depressed and lonely. However, it's human, too, to survive all odds. In that respect we are better even than ants :)

Anyone else making holiday masks?
I did! :p I made Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas masks. I also bought a little material to make Mardi Gras masks. I've made a lot of masks in solids and fun prints for us because I've asked my family to change masks mid-shift while out at work, so we need enough that I don't have to wash laundry every evening just for masks. I figure that since we need to wear them, we should have something that we want to wear. :shrug:
Precisely! =) At my office we make a point to wear a mask that fits our outfit. And when out shopping you often hear "Oh, what a lovely print! Where did you buy it?" or "That's a cool mask. Homesewn?" People try to spread some good vibes with their masks.
I have a haberdashery less than 100 yds from my place and they have the loveliest prints. They have a basket with 1/2 yard scraps in front of their door - the perfect bait! I simply can't walk past. Last week I bought some lovely winter and Christmas prints.
I've also sewn a scrub cap as I have long hair (the virus can get caught in it and then I spend all night with my face on it. Can't wash it every day as it then tends to break). I find the cap extremely handy not just for my normal work but also for cookie baking, driving, dental surgery etc. All sorts of work where you want to keep your hair under control. I'm going to sew a few more asap =) And of course they'll match my masks! :D
 
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yep - but with me being a furriner who knows?
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My aunt posted on Facebook that three of her friends came down with COVID over the weekend. One had a mild case, two were taken to the hospital. One passed away, the other is still in the ICU.
I spoke to my mom on Sunday; one of her friends caught it a couple of weeks ago.
She said that it started with a loss of taste for a couple of days, followed by three days of intense sinus headaches and joint pain, then ten days of lethargy.
Even though she's supposedly recovered, she still can't walk from the bedroom to the kitchen/bathroom/living room without getting exhausted.
 
My wife's sister-in-law lost her oldest brother the past Saturday (12-05-2020) to covid. Great guy who has owned an operated a pizza place in McKinney, TX since 1969. Gonna really be missed.
 
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