There is something obviously wrong with Detmar, however do you guys think its because of stress i.e. psychological? I could be wrong but I seem to remember a scene where they zoom into her eyeball and there's some electronic stuff going on. I thought maybe she was infected with the control ai or some component of it or something. Any thoughts?
What is wrong with Detmar?
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What's wrong with Detmer? At the moment, she's probably annoyed someone misspelled her name.
Okay, now that I'm done being a dick, I see no reason to believe it's anything other than PTSD like they've kept saying throughout the various episodes. Nothing showed up on her medical scans in episode 2, and she presumably underwent another medical scan with Starfleet Command's 32nd century medical scanners. If there was anything else going on, they'd detect it.
Okay, now that I'm done being a dick, I see no reason to believe it's anything other than PTSD like they've kept saying throughout the various episodes. Nothing showed up on her medical scans in episode 2, and she presumably underwent another medical scan with Starfleet Command's 32nd century medical scanners. If there was anything else going on, they'd detect it.
Indeed. I think Detmer is struggling with significant trauma, compounded by a massive change in going to the future.
Yeah major PTSD even Admiral Vance mentioned she is barely holding on
Showing she is not OK. You can be traumatized and not have an evil AI. I know its new territory for Trek that it isn't always mind control because someone is focused like that but it is possible.
Didn't she hit her head really badly in ep 2? I assumed there was physical. If PTSD, this seems fairly well-done for Trek. I hope it is, frankly. Man, Culber should be a BASket case after HOW long by himself chewing on his arm in the mushroom patch? He seems all good again, except mentions about it, so we don't forget.
I think it speaks to Trek's history of not really dealing with PTSD that, when a storyline comes along that seems (so far) to be about PTSD, we're all like, "Ahh! Evil aliens! She's infected! My God!"
Honestly, I think the close up of Detmer's eye is just a way to show her distress. I'd be disappointed if it were a plot thing.
Honestly, I think the close up of Detmer's eye is just a way to show her distress. I'd be disappointed if it were a plot thing.
Episode one. And while I can buy that the physical trauma was some sort of calalyst, I can easily buy that her thing is 100% psychological now. This is new ground for Trek and after a rough couple seasons of character development, I'm happy they're tackling something very relevant to today's audiences as well as letting the story be told through the eyes of the show's secondary characters. They're pulling some real DS9 level stuff like that.
Mark
Mark
She lost her left eye in the Battle at the Binary Stars -- same injury that forced the implantation of her skull piece. I think the idea is to emphasize how much she's lost of her own body, now joined with how much she's lost of her normal life by leaving the 23rd Century. This is about psychological trauma, not sci-fi plot devices.
Indeed, yes. Tragic, really, that trauma needs to be spelled out.
Don’t see control returning to the plot line. Think she is just freaking out.
The reality of her role came down hard on her they car she’d on the planet after exiting the wormhole. She realized everybody’s life is her hands
The reality of her role came down hard on her they car she’d on the planet after exiting the wormhole. She realized everybody’s life is her hands
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Not just that, but she also sees herself as responsible for all the crew's lives when she's piloting the ship... which can also be a problem because she also understands that 930 years in the future with massively outdated technology, it would be difficult to pilot the ship to safety... or avoid modern weapons.
I personally think it's just as simple as PTSD, or some variation. She has the responsibility of not only piloting the last remaining ship from her (and their) time, she also is responsible for the crew entirely by her skills as a pilot. I think she is quite overlooked by the crew sometimes and I think she may feel undervalued or unappreciated by many, as her main role is flying the ship. The captain is ultimately responsible for their crew, ship and mission. But Detmar executes the XO's orders and by that point, it's her wit, knowledge, skill and confidence in herself from that point that means the mission is a failure or success, to a certain degree.
Everyone is saying it's psychological PTSD, so I'm going for the longshot possibility of it being Control and/or Zora and everyone will just think it's PTSD.
Her cracking her skull in the crash isn't all that likely, considering Culber scanned her. But her fancy implant getting broken in the crash would plausibly be outside Culber's competence, and might result in future hilarity and hijinks. On top of what looks like "mere" shell shock, that is.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Christ that would be soulless, unimaginative writing.
I think it has more to do with everyone looking at this through the Roddenberry Box of TNG, where any flaws, problems or anything with anyone that didn't make them 100% perfect had to have a sci-fi explanation. Otherwise the writers were being "lazy and not earning their paychecks."
Everyone says that, and IIRC the actress even said in an interview a scene showing her injured at Binary Stars was filmed but cut. Thing is, though, the last time we see Detmer in that episode is just before Michael and Georgiou beam over to the Klingon ship, and she was clearly uninjured there. Given ship-to-ship fighting was done at that point, it raises the question, when was she supposed to have been injured?
Good catch! Two possibilities:
1) Her injuries weren't immediately apparent at that time but she lost the eye and required the implant some time afterwards as a result of injuries sustained during the battle; or,
2) She was injured in a subsequent battle before Michael joined the crew of the Discovery.
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