and "loro" is not an option?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x03 - "People of Earth"
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Well it kind of did, 'they' had been used in a singular sense all my life, and I doubt it was invented afresh for me. English teachers may complain, but then they would complain at 'to boldly go'.
Based on personal experience it takes time to figure these things out without an alien being inside your guts. Plus we don't really know what 32nd century Earth culture is like, so it may not be a very accepting place. Now that they're in an environment that's more accepting, Adira may feel safer to be themself.
Maybe it will...it’s just that the topic has never been widely discussed publicly as in other countries so far. Probably will be in ten years or so.
In Italian we used to have the formal “voi” (plural you) for formal situations, but it has been completely replaced by “lei” (singular she) by now...which actually was what we used to have before the voi...long story with a lot of politics in it.
Never heard of it, where are you from? Do you use it to formally address your interlocutor (“they wish for more tea, madame”)?
England. If you don't know the gender of a singular third party, they are referred to as 'they'. As I just did there in fact!
i really, really hope they don’t make earth that backwards...I mean, it should be a no-brainer a generation from now, imagine over a thousand years.
Now, that would be a tremendous disappointment, so let's hope not! I can handle isolationism (looking out for the whole) but not discrimination on that level. If true, I feel that would set humanity back a long, long time. Agree with your assessment though.
I sort of have a new appreciation for Discovery after watching the Mandalorian Season 2 premiere last night. Star Trek is taking chances. Yes the S3 Discovery premiere was too much like Star Wars but after watching the Mandalorian yesterday it actually felt more like Star Wars' spirit than the Mandalorian did, in a good way.
No offense to Mando fans (I'm one too, but I'm having doubts the writers can venture too far from safe OT retreads now), but Discovery is taking chances while right now Mando is playing it safe (although maybe this season will change things). It's going where no one has gone before. Will there be mistakes? Yep, tons, and I've already pointed out many of them here. But overall that's so far a small price to pay for Trek to be adventurous and taking chances, while still remaining true to Star Trek values.
No offense to Mando fans (I'm one too, but I'm having doubts the writers can venture too far from safe OT retreads now), but Discovery is taking chances while right now Mando is playing it safe (although maybe this season will change things). It's going where no one has gone before. Will there be mistakes? Yep, tons, and I've already pointed out many of them here. But overall that's so far a small price to pay for Trek to be adventurous and taking chances, while still remaining true to Star Trek values.
It's not a future I would want to see. But that is how Earth is now, even in places like the US and UK where things seem to be getting worse than they were a few years ago. Star Trek is ultimately meant to reflect the current world that it was made in, so this would unfortunately fit.
The story could be broadly analogous to a real-world teenager getting in touch with their own gender identity.
It's been pointed out that Adira's commanding officer on the inspection team -- who likely knows Adira -- used "she/her." As others have mentioned, maybe as Adira accesses more of the memories and personalities of the symbiont and past hosts, she will begin to feel more non-binary and ask for the pronouns to reflect that.
honestly never heard of this...usually heard people default on “he” or, if they wish to be more precise/modern, “he or she”.
If Adira wasn't out yet, then she wouldn't know. Before I came out most people called me he/him, now they don't because I came out. I was still always trans and I still identified as female that entire time, but no one but me knew. This is just how it works.
This is what I hope is brought about in future episodes. I have several family members who are trans and who have been there before. I think it would be awesome for this to be represented on the screen.
I do that as well, especially in documentation. It's becoming more and more of a habit and I'm surprised when others don't use it.
From what I've read in interviews, the actor actually came out after getting the role. So performing the character actually helped them come out. It really shows how much representation actually matters both to the audience and the actors themselves.
I gave it a 7 and an extra 2 just for Georgiou and Booker's lines and acting, so 9
Lots of questions, but with EDF fancy tech they could not scan Wen's ships and see that there were humans on board?
Detmer needs counselling, she is going to blow.
United Earth recruiting 16 year olds as inspector? Ok what is it with Trek and teenage 'Lassie' prodigies saving the day (Wesley, Kelvin Chekov, Adira)
Lots of questions, but with EDF fancy tech they could not scan Wen's ships and see that there were humans on board?
Detmer needs counselling, she is going to blow.
United Earth recruiting 16 year olds as inspector? Ok what is it with Trek and teenage 'Lassie' prodigies saving the day (Wesley, Kelvin Chekov, Adira)
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It's really easier to use than using "he or she", which feels awkward to say or write.
He's been good from what little we've seen of him and I want to get to know more about him. I also want more scenes of him with Grudge and more Grudge in general. A man valiantly defending his cat's honor is what Trek has always needed.
You have to realise that there are other more grammatically complicated languages than English in which there is no gender-neutral pronoun to refer to people. NBs in such countries do not want to refer to them as inanimate things. There is no consensus among the NB community in such countries either, and generally there is no legislation on the subject either. Then comes the situation as in She-Ra, where Netflix approved the masculine pronoun in the translation Double Trouble.
As for attempts to create a language, unfortunately, non-binary people are doomed to imperfect solutions. For example, a gender-neutral name and a pronoun opposite to the sex given at birth. Another approach is to try not to use the grammatical gender (my place of birth is some city instead of I was born in some city) or to create new grammatical forms which for an outsider is almost like a foreign language that the outsider will not learn on the spot.
Language evolves over time, things will change as they always have.