Legacy starships in Disco Season 3

[Noname Given]

We probably also have to take into account real-life issues. Having to do all of the special effects from home may have forced the effects artists to use older digital models instead of creating new more time period accurate ones. We may just have to pretend that these are newer designs. Perhaps why they chose first season ships that were pretty much in the background (like the Hoover class) and could potentially be reused as a more contemporary ship type.

Exactly it's the same reason a majority of the ships we saw on the 24th century TNG era shows; were 23rd century models all seen in the various ILM Star Trek films.

CGI models still take time and money to create, and stretching the budget is always a factor in film and TV production, so reusing models either physical or CGI saves money in the long run. for the majority of the audience nobody's going to care that some CGI model that was seen for two seconds in a quick shot or a from a long distance in a previous season episode of Discovery is suddenly seen in a more close-up shot, and is a ship of the 30th, 31st or 32nd century.

If its a model that's going to be used repeatedly (like the Booker character ship); then sure spending the a time and money to make a new CGI model is warranted; otherwise yeah, like the Berman era Trek series often did; reuse the models and extend the production money for use in other areas where it's better needed.

 

[Ronald Held]

In thepast you could get away with reusing older ships. With streaming content and later DVD/BluRay editions that won't cut it. For background ships, do basic modeling without surface textures or grebs.

 

[Lord Garth]

The ships from the 25th century onward blew up easiest. More primitive ships did not, or only the oldest ships stored in museums survived intact?

That's the ticket. If ships with active warp cores exploded, that would take out any ship currently in service. So any surviving ships would either be still under construction, decommissioned, or under repairs.

So, practically in an instant, Starfleet ships became fewer, older, and in worse condition overall. They were stuck with the leftovers and the cold-storage. If things were really bad, they probably had to go to ship junkyards and start putting together kit-bashes.

Discovery, as "old" as it is, would be in better condition. And having propulsion not dependent on dilithium, that would make the ship valuable even though it's antiquated.

 

[Markonian]

Discovery, as "old" as it is, would be in better condition. And having propulsion not dependent on dilithium that would make the ship valuable even though it's antiquated.

Ah, so that’s how they’ll rebuild the Federation in the end. They said that Starfleet couldn’t find an alternative to warp travel. Now there’s Discovery.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Somehow, in all this time, StarFleet didn't try to reverse engineer the Romulan Artificial Singularity reactor or get a hold of Tetryon Reactor power from the Delta Quadrant?

Figure out what the Borg Power Nodes were?

Some how I find that unbelievable considering IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) and having the UFP / StarFleet completely dependent on one type of Reactor technology could be dangerous.
That would really screw your society over if they found a way to shut down all reactors like they did here with "The Burn".

 

[fireproof78]

Unless resources did not allow for them to expand it in any meaningful way. In other words, it seemed like a neat idea but it got binned in favor of maintaining current tech.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Unless resources did not allow for them to expand it in any meaningful way. In other words, it seemed like a neat idea but it got binned in favor of maintaining current tech.

So Big Dilithium Corps / Big M/A-M companies had their stranglehold and prevented UFP / StarFleet from researching other power generation tech is what you're implying?

 

[Kzinti]

Romulan Artificial Singularity

Romulans are still mining dilithium thus maybe the singularity need it to function properly

 

[Timo]

They really cover all the bases with Book's lament on how these things just plain don't work. Sure, there are alternatives to dilithium - but they are all expensive and complicated, and no research is going to help with that. (After all, all research has already been done, in a civilization four billion years old - if there were an alternative cheap solution, then that's what everybody would already be using, after even one of the current players got a whiff of the ancient wisdom.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Romulans are still mining dilithium thus maybe the singularity need it to function properly

From what I can tell, only the main StarShips use "Artificial Quantum Singularity", Shuttles probably still use traditional M/A-M reactors.

 

[fireproof78]

So Big Dilithium Corps / Big M/A-M companies had their stranglehold and prevented UFP / StarFleet from researching other power generation tech is what you're implying?

More like they saw no need to expand upon what already worked.

 

[Noname Given]

Somehow, in all this time, StarFleet didn't try to reverse engineer the Romulan Artificial Singularity reactor or get a hold of Tetryon Reactor power from the Delta Quadrant?

Figure out what the Borg Power Nodes were?

Some how I find that unbelievable considering IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations) and having the UFP / StarFleet completely dependent on one type of Reactor technology could be dangerous.
That would really screw your society over if they found a way to shut down all reactors like they did here with "The Burn".

All of those systems may still have dilithium for channeling the generated power through. It may be that no matter how you design a power source for a warp drive; dilithium is the one element o good FTL warp drive can be without.

Again it was stated in the episode that they tried a number of non-dilithium warp engine designs, And none of them worked well enough.

Oh and as for the Romulans; remember that Shinzon stated he was sent to the dilithium mines of Remus. So it would have appear from anecdotal evidence, that yes the Romulans did use dilithium for their ships.

 

[O'Dib]

Or trade?

 

[Noname Given]

Or trade?

Or both.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Well, that NCC-4744*** scene was pretty anticlimactic. Maybe just thrown in to tease the fans.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, that NCC-4744*** scene was pretty anticlimactic. Maybe just thrown in to tease the fans.

It was NCC-4774...

And yes, it probably means squat. Hopefully at least we might get to see the actual prop on TrekCore so we can see the full registry number.

 

[Timo]

Do we already know the format of modern Starfleet registries? Sahil's holomap from "That Hope" only showed the labels for unidentified ships (in the 21XXX format), not NCC registries for them. Does his other holomap, from this week, show more? Do we have six digits, or fancy suffix letters, or what?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[NCC-73515]

Well, that NCC-4744*** scene was pretty anticlimactic. Maybe just thrown in to tease the fans.

I saw two of these sticks in a console somewhere, but I forgot where. So we might still see more later.

 

[ScottJ85]

Seems to me they're going for a sledgehammer-subtle fossil fuels metaphor.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Seems to me they're going for a sledgehammer-subtle fossil fuels metaphor.

That would be a very Star Trek thing to do.