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Legacy starships in Disco Season 3
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the season will ultimately explain (or not) but one reason I was thinking for those old ships, is possible that prior to the burn the federation simply wasn't using ships all that much anymore.
if peace had been achieved, the era of gunboat diplomacy was mostly over, and exploration had slowed to a crawl because everything in the galaxy had been explored, that kind of puts a bottle cap on starfleet. Added to the idea (one that is 100% Gene's Vision © , is that eventually people would be transporting everywhere, anyway). Long distance transporters, hubs and routers, plus replicators on site for whatever you need, would have cut ship traffic to minuscule).
So maybe the post-burn starfleet ships are whatever was left in places like Surplus Depot Z-15. Whatever few ships were still in service by the time of the burn were lost. Without much fuel, trained officers, and most importantly, working ship yards, what was left of starfleet would have been reduced to upgrading and maintaining whatever hulls they could find. Depressing but realistic.
if peace had been achieved, the era of gunboat diplomacy was mostly over, and exploration had slowed to a crawl because everything in the galaxy had been explored, that kind of puts a bottle cap on starfleet. Added to the idea (one that is 100% Gene's Vision © , is that eventually people would be transporting everywhere, anyway). Long distance transporters, hubs and routers, plus replicators on site for whatever you need, would have cut ship traffic to minuscule).
So maybe the post-burn starfleet ships are whatever was left in places like Surplus Depot Z-15. Whatever few ships were still in service by the time of the burn were lost. Without much fuel, trained officers, and most importantly, working ship yards, what was left of starfleet would have been reduced to upgrading and maintaining whatever hulls they could find. Depressing but realistic.
What remains to be rationalized in models like that is the blatant: why are all the ships seen crashing there from the mid-23rd century?
I mean, we can spread the Hoovers and Hiawathas across as many decades as we wish. But between them and the Burn, there are the Excelsiors and the Ambassadors and the Galaxies and the Inquiries at least. Why is this particular piece of sky raining 2250s starships specifically?
Timo Saloniemi
I mean, we can spread the Hoovers and Hiawathas across as many decades as we wish. But between them and the Burn, there are the Excelsiors and the Ambassadors and the Galaxies and the Inquiries at least. Why is this particular piece of sky raining 2250s starships specifically?
Timo Saloniemi
But what's left of Starfleet would be under no obligation to use Fed built ships. Retrofitting 1000 yo designs is crazy when there are people out there building ship like Bookers
It rather depends on the context of the clip.
If we're literally watching a flashback the Burn taking place, then the old ships will be an anachronism. But if we're seeing, say, Michael Burnham imagining the Burn or having a nightmare about it, then it would make sense that she'd visualize the destruction of the Starfleet she knows.
I still think this won't be the burn at all. Burnham is out collecting bit of old ships so maybe they are there investigating or looking for parts for the Discovery and a battle ends up taking place. Isn't E06 titled scavengers
Actually the ships in the trailer look like they might have been around for a long time. Maybe the Discovery crew and their allies find them somewhere and refit them to build a new fleet. And then some of them get damaged or destroyed during a big event
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I'll assume you know using that phonetic alphabet is how you call out individual letters over audio in the real world, to prevent confusion, especially if there is poor signal quality. So, they were just saying "1701-A" in a manner that's more realistic than in most of Trek. Certain things are far more consistent with their real-world counterparts in the post-TMP Original Series movies.
I am aware having had to communicate with the FBI relatively frequently in a previous job. I guess I was imagining not as phoenetic but the actual Greek letters: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, etc, but on the hull would be their Greek equivalent, not written out as such.
I feel really bad for Charlie. 1701 Charlie, that is. Had the worst luck out of all of them.
We probably also have to take into account real-life issues. Having to do all of the special effects from home may have forced the effects artists to use older digital models instead of creating new more time period accurate ones. We may just have to pretend that these are newer designs. Perhaps why they chose first season ships that were pretty much in the background (like the Hoover class) and could potentially be reused as a more contemporary ship type.
Discovery is definitely Star Trek then 
And yet despite it's bad luck i'd argue that the Enterprise-C is the most important enterprise of all.
When Garrett had to take orders from Starfleet Admirals, this is all she heard: "wampa wampa wamp wamp!" But somehow it made sense.
Actually the ships in the trailer look like they might have been around for a long time. Maybe the Discovery crew and their allies find them somewhere and refit them to build a new fleet. And then some of them get damaged or destroyed during a big event
And that's in the very category of explanations that requires the additional rationalization I was calling for. If the heroes find "old ships", why are those from the 2250s and not additionally from the 2320s and 2490s and 2580s?
Pretending that, say, the Hoover is actually modern doesn't help all that much. How modern is modern? Is the Hoover the token ship we're missing from the 27th century, or the 29th? We need a range of designs capable of covering almost a thousand years of starship operations; are the DSC 2250s ships really up to that job?
Having it be a dream would be fine. Having it be a very specific cache of ship would be fine, too, but would require rather clever writing. Say, if the heroes need spares for the Discovery, they wouldn't scavenge a Galaxy or an Inquiry - and if the act of scavenging sent the ships crashing, perhaps it wouldn't crash the Nebulas or the Excelsiors.
Timo Saloniemi
Maybe there are newer ships in the full scene, too. I guess they just didn't want to reveal them in a trailer
There are four distinct ships crashing in that scene. Two of them are definitely DSC-era (the Hiawatha and the Hoover), one looks like a Miranda (but isn’t), so it’s a new design from an unknown era, and one ship is unfortunately obscured to the point where I can’t recognize it at all. But just the fact that they made the Hiawatha so prominent in the shot tells me that they’re just using DSC production assets just like CoM used them, and that we shouldn’t be too surprised if this scene is in fact a literal depiction of the Burn. But we’ll see.
The ships from the 25th century onward blew up easiest. More primitive ships did not, or only the oldest ships stored in museums survived intact?
Well, they already have "Blown Up" 31st cent. ships as seen from Ep.1 I would think, as a 3d guy, that they would have made a full glory intact ship, then gone to town destroying it. Because eventually, you'll have to show a modern fleet ship. So in a "Flashback" to the burn you could use that modern ship, with some minor variations to look like a fleet, and use them in "The Burn" flashback instead of Disco era stuff.
I just realized that the registry number on that object that the person is giving to Burnham reads "NCC-4774," with the rest of the numbers perhaps obscured, or this might be the actual full registry. The Relativity's registry number is NCV-474439-G. So it's not the same registry, and probably has nothing to do with the Relativity from VOY, and more to do with their obsessive-compulsive need to have the number '47' or variants thereof constantly threaded through every iteration of Trek.
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