Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x02 - "Far From Home"

[Kore]

You did actually watch last weeks episode and this weeks, right? Where it was established that Michael is LOOKING for signs of Discovery? And this weeks episode established that Georgiou actually said other people noticed Disco's arrival?
Sure, Disco didn't contact Michael..... But Michael was actually on active look-out for them......

Your argument is invalid.

What argument, friend?

I stopped reading there because I have a question. What is it about Saru/DSCs inability/reluctance to use scanning to avoid detection negates Burnham from detecting ships or detecting the gamma rays mentioned in the episode and why does it make it a self parody?

Seems to me that you’re criticising a show because you haven’t thought it through or understood it. If I’m missing something, I’m more than happy to change my opinion.

All I'm saying is that I rolled my eyes at the line "We can't call for help. We can't call Michael." The implication/feeling being "we need Michael to save the day" And then at the end instead of them saving themselves, which they easily could've had them do, they insert in Burnham tractoring them to safety.

It is a shame that with any criticism, the vulture's descend. I noticed this in last week's thread and thought to post about that tendency but thought better of it. Just because someone else doesn't like something you liked doesn't invalidate your liking of the thing. You don't need to defend it either. People can have different opinions.

I guess I needed to start off my post saying I liked this episode and not end my post with that. I can see why it would read the way you decided to take it.

 

[fireproof78]

As if good writing in Trek = references and bad = new things.

Also, aesthetic. If it looked like the 90s or 60s it would be "real Trek."

We can't call for help. We can't call Michael." The implication/feeling being "we need Michael to save the day"

Didn't take that implication at all. Obviously they would be looking for her for reasons that I feel are painfully apparent, and no, it's not for her to save the day.

 

[Mage]

What argument, friend?



All I'm saying is that I rolled my eyes at the line "We can't call for help. We can't call Michael." The implication/feeling being "we need Michael to save the day" And then at the end instead of them saving themselves, which they easily could've had them do, they insert in Burnham tractoring them to safety.

It is a shame that with any criticism, the vulture's descend. I noticed this in last week's thread and thought to post about that tendency but thought better of it. Just because someone else doesn't like something you liked doesn't invalidate your liking of the thing. You don't need to defend it either. People can have different opinions.

I guess I needed to start off my post saying I liked this episode and not end my post with that. I can see why it would read the way you decided to take it.

They're not asking Michael to save the day, they're talking about help in general. They're concerned about their friend. What's so weird about that?
Besides, it's a show. Shows have protaganists. They usually save the day. What's so weird about Michael doing that?

It's really your issues with Michael that make you see things

 

[Tim Thomason]

Yeah, my understanding is they realized Michael would be (presumably) out in space alone, attempting to hail Discovery, but having no contact with them, she might assume they didn't make it and would be alone in space.

 

[Lord Garth]

It is a shame that with any criticism, the vulture's descend.

I haven't descended on anything. So you're good.

I rolled with quite a bit in this thread. To descend on everything would be a full-time job.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm guessing there are various YouTube videos in production where they take the naming of a gore-cleaning superfluous character as "Gene" to be a shot at Roddenberry.

Admittedly, it was an entirely unnecessary scene, and the naming choice was odd.

Personally, I think of it more as a offhand tribute, rather than a "shot".
I'm pretty sure it wasn't meant to be anything derogatory toward Mr. Roddenberry by the writers.

 

[Kore]

Also, aesthetic. If it looked like the 90s or 60s it would be "real Trek."

Didn't take that implication at all. Obviously they would be looking for her for reasons that I feel are painfully apparent, and no, it's not for her to save the day.

Yeah, I think you're likely right. That was probably their intention.

 

[fireproof78]

t is a shame that with any criticism, the vulture's descend. I noticed this in last week's thread and thought to post about that tendency but thought better of it. Just because someone else doesn't like something you liked doesn't invalidate your liking of the thing. You don't need to defend it either. People can have different opinions.

But, discussing a thing will mean addressing criticisms and presenting an alternative point of view. People can have different opinions, yes, but the point of a discussion is to, um, discuss, things. I think. I might be wrong.

 

[NX_01]

When the ship punched through the planet chunk, I was almost laughing. It should have just smashed apart like Voyager in "Year of Hell, Part II."

They aren‘t able to even make basic physics look somehow believable. Sometimes you have to let some eyecandy go if you dont want to look cheap.

Speaking of cheap, this is the 5th crash landing in the last 4 episodes of Trek its getting repetitiv.

 

[rhllot]

Again, I just don't get this desire to make the V'Draysh "bad" just because Craft's people were at war with them.

Craft was a good guy. So what? Lots of good guys fight in wars for the "bad" side.

Storytelling with "very fine people on both sides" goes back to the Iliad. The idea of black/white storytelling is actually more recent in some ways.

In wars there don't have to be good guys or bad guys, wars sometimes happen because both sides believe they are right about territorial claims.

 

[DaveyNY]

They aren‘t able to even make basic physics look somehow believable. Sometimes you have to let some eyecandy go if you dont want to look cheap.

Speaking of cheap, this is the 5th crash landing in the last 4 episodes of Trek its getting repetitiv.

I think you may have missed Tilly's line in which she states that something really strange is going on with the place, while she and Saru were walking.
Obviously, it all was expressly designed by the production to NOT look like "basic physics" was in control.

 

[Muji]

What argument, friend?



All I'm saying is that I rolled my eyes at the line "We can't call for help. We can't call Michael." The implication/feeling being "we need Michael to save the day" And then at the end instead of them saving themselves, which they easily could've had them do, they insert in Burnham tractoring them to safety.

It is a shame that with any criticism, the vulture's descend. I noticed this in last week's thread and thought to post about that tendency but thought better of it. Just because someone else doesn't like something you liked doesn't invalidate your liking of the thing. You don't need to defend it either. People can have different opinions.

I guess I needed to start off my post saying I liked this episode and not end my post with that. I can see why it would read the way you decided to take it.

I’m no vulture, I just had a question about your comments and the soundness of your logic. To me, it’s just a completely strange comment. He couldn’t contact her because, as was made clear, he didn’t have the ability due to crash damage and he - rightly, from a leadership perspective - couldn’t assume he was welcome where he crash landed. You’ve called it a self parody, you’ve said it was eye-roll worthy, but the reason you gave doesn’t make sense. It makes as much sense as me eye-rolling at Jean-Luc’s Afro. If somebody comes in and points out that I’m eye rolling and criticising over something that doesn’t exist, it doesn’t make them a vulture. To me, it makes them sensible and logical.

As for your comment about needing Michael to rescue them; it’s just a fabrication. You’re projecting that ‘feeling’ onto a situation that is clearly not consistent when reading what was said and seeing what happened. They followed Michael through a wormhole into the future. It would have been a little bit weird not to want to contact her. When using HALO insertion, it’s SOP to check-in with other members of your team. This seems less like eye-rolling self parody and more like common sense.

Sorry if that comes across as vulture-like, but part of having the freedom to share opinions is accepting that others have the freedom to reasonably question those opinions and their validity.

 

[Irvy]

Who else are they going to call? They're only hoping that there's even any other life on this side of the wormhole, they're only hoping Control's plan has been foiled. It stands to reason that their first thought is that they can't contact the only member of the crew who wasn't on the ship, the only one they can't account for, the one they came here to be with so she didn't have to go it alone. Of course that's high on their list. Michael had tasked flag guy to watch for Discovery's arrival, and of course she was going to turn up at the perfect moment to save the day. Are some of you new to television? It's called the Riker Maneuver.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm actually fairly surprised that nobody's spewing Mountain Dew over their screen over Reno so flippantly forgetting poor Gene's name and how that represent the callous raping of someone's childhood.

I'm not surprised because some of them aren't actually watching the show, so much as they're just looking for things. They didn't notice "Gene" because they were already throwing a fit about gore, Georgiou, and Reno. Too much going on at once for them.

 

[NX_01]

Obviously, it all was expressly designed by the production to NOT look like "basic physics" was in control.

I was not refering to the Pandorian looking environment. I don‘t like that style for Star Trek every franchise has his style and Trek is loosing its uniqueness here in my eyes, but thats a different topic.

I was talking about about the unbelievable stress resistence of newer days starships. Just a few examples from the last four Trek Episodes:

Borg ship crashed without engines on a planet, landed fully intact.
The ship from last week crash landed in a way like throwing a dart into sand, stay intact.
Discovery collides with an asteriod size object at orbital speed, stays intact ‍

 

[BillJ]

6.

Felt like a mix of last week’s episode and “Marauders” from Enterprise.

So Burnham has a ship powerful enough to pull Discovery off the surface of a planet?

 

[jackoverfull]

I liked it. Not as much as the previous episode but I liked it, especially the first part. A 7 for me.

Things I noticed, the good ones:

I like they are showing the ship and visuals in general a not better this season, I hope this continues.

Also, they seem to be giving minor characters something to do. Nice.

I like the resolution with the miners letting the courier go. I do wonder if he will appear again.

The bad:
Can’t say I’m that fond of the excessive violence and gore but all right...

Tilly is useless in a fight. Don’t they train for this kind of situation at the academy?

Totally not sold with the “we need a mcguffin to repair communications” plot. Since when that’s the only way and what’s wrong with personal communicators if it was? They needed to leave the planet ASAP and even makeshift communications means would have cut for the emergency.

I wonder how Gergiu knows there are “competitors” coming.

The neutral
The ending was very prevedibile but ok, I’m curious to see what ship Michael was in.

 

[Mage]

Who else are they going to call? They're only hoping that there's even any other life on this side of the wormhole, they're only hoping Control's plan has been foiled. It stands to reason that their first thought is that they can't contact the only member of the crew who wasn't on the ship, the only one they can't account for, the one they came here to be with so she didn't have to go it alone. Of course that's high on their list. Michael had tasked flag guy to watch for Discovery's arrival, and of course she was going to turn up at the perfect moment to save the day. Are some of you new to television? It's called the Riker Maneuver.

But Irvy, you must realize, that means you're pro-Michael, and as any good ClassicTrekFan will tell you, a TrueTrekkie hates Michael. So, anything to do with her needs to be flamed. And flamed hard.

And yes, this is very tongue-in-cheek. But I'm really so done with all the Michael-sucks posts. I really try to stay out of this part of the forum, and the Picard forum. It's all way to negative really. I just like to watch my episode, love it if I do, don't when I don't. And just enjoy my Star Trek.

 

[Kore]

I’m no vulture, I just had a question about your comments and the soundness of your logic. To me, it’s just a completely strange comment. He couldn’t contact her because, as was made clear, he didn’t have the ability due to crash damage and he - rightly, from a leadership perspective - couldn’t assume he was welcome where he crash landed. You’ve called it a self parody, you’ve said it was eye-roll worthy, but the reason you gave doesn’t make sense. It makes as much sense as me eye-rolling at Jean-Luc’s Afro. If somebody comes in and points out that I’m eye rolling and criticising over something that doesn’t exist, it doesn’t make them a vulture.

As for your comment about needing Michael to rescue them; it’s just a fabrication. You’re projecting that ‘feeling’ onto a situation that is clearly not consistent when reading what was said and seeing what happened. They followed Michael through a wormhole into the future. It would have been a little bit weird not to want to contact her.

Sorry if that comes across as vulture like, but part of having the freedom to share opinions is accepting that others have the freedom to reasonably question those opinions and their validity.

No worries. You can rip apart my thoughts to your heart's content. They're admittedly very sleepy thoughts. It's more been what I've noticed, at least in last week's thread. People would point out some minor things that took them out of the episode and to their one opinion five or six people, if not more, would get on them about it. As if they needed to defend the show or correct the person or have others agree with them that the person was wrong in some way and that the show's perfect. But the responses to them would not even really be addressing the point. They'd say stuff like, "well, it was like this in other iterations of trek, too, therefore you not enjoying it here is weird" yadda yadda. Anyway, I'm too sleepy eyed to get into it, but as for my comments, yeah.

I wasn't fond of the line "We can't call for help. We can't call Michael." This idea that I am not understanding what the character meant or something... lol? <3 I don't believe they were intending it to mean they wanted to call Michael to help, lol. I'm simply saying the way it was said in that moment made me eye roll. I get that's not what they were going for. But given that's how they choose to end a lot of these episodes, and how they ended this one, yeah. It's not a bad thing for the hero to save the day. It's expected and I was ultimately fine with it. But I do think it's a problem in the show that they rely so heavily on one character to do the saving. Heck, most shows rely on one character to do all the saving, too, though. This episode gave so much time and focus to the crew, and gave them their moment's to shine, that it just would've been a better bow to the episode for them to have broken through the ice themselves. And THEN to have met a mystery ship in orbit that turns out to be Burnham is all. Idk, I've heard the criticism's of Burnham and the way she was last episode, but I've been enjoying her alot this season. I've never been the biggest fan of what they choose to give her/do with the character, but I thought the emotions she was feeling last episode felt warranted to the situation, even if the show decided to ignore/not comment on the murder hobo stuff her and Book got up to. I liked the rest of it all.

 

[Irvy]

I was not refering to the Pandorian looking environment. I don‘t like that style for Star Trek every franchise has his style and Trek is loosing its uniqueness here in my eyes, but thats a different topic.

I was talking about about the unbelievable stress resistence of newer days starships. Just a few examples from the last four Trek Episodes:

Borg ship crashed without engines on a planet, landed fully intact.
The ship from last week crash landed in a way like throwing a dart into sand, stay intact.
Discovery collides with an asteriod size object at orbital speed, stays intact ‍

Star Trek's "style" has always been to push the boundaries and use the latest technologies to depict it's world. I hope season 4 will see more use of the Volume stage set up that the Mandalorian is showcasing so well. I love that they're grabbing interesting, 1 shot background aliens from the old movies to populate this new time.

And you might want to have a look at graphene, which is going to completely change our world in so many ways now that a university has discovered a way to make it reliably using only electricity. Graphene can be added to other materials, concrete, glass, metal, and will greatly enhance the properties of the material. We're not there yet, but we've just discovered how we can make more durable alloys for space travel. There's a guy online who mixed some chemically produced graphene into a casein (milk) plastic, and he was able to make a plastic puck that was bullet proof and highly flame retardant. That's the sort of materials we'll be working with in the future.