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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x02 - "Far From Home"

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I enjoyed this one a bit more than the opener. I gave it an 8 whereas I gave the first episode a 7. The first one was just kind of there with a look at our new universe and basic set up. I felt the story was a bit more intense in the 2nd episode. I loved Saru as acting Captain and the byplay with Tilly. Stamets and Jett were fun.

The only downside is that slow burn build up is eating into the seasons episodes. But the proof will be in the pudding about how well they tell the overarching story in the remaining season.

I get the sense that they feel their purpose is to change history so that the Federation doesn't fall (or mostly fall). However, I suspect they'll find that's not possible and they'll have to deal with the reality as it is.
 
I’m just watching the Trekyards review of this. I’m not sure I can stand much more. It’s becoming more and more obvious to me that some people just don’t understand anything outside of episodic, small TV.
If I want to know about ship specs, I'll watch them. Episode reviews? No. As soon as I get the sense someone's idea of what Star Trek should be is stuck in the '90s or early-2000s, I turn off the review.
 
And what if a half Betazoid had been in the colony that could sense all the hostility from Georgiou?

The same half Betazoid would have sensed the goody two shoeness of the other two and would have split the difference. Hostility seems to be pretty commonplace round these here parts, couple of strangers walk into the saloon, wide eyed like they just stepped off the boat with a horse they can't shoe, you kinda wanna hear their story before you go filling em full of holes.
 
Maybe that's what happens. Mirror Georgiou tries to declare herself Empress of the 32nd century and Discovery turns on her and sends her on a one way trip back to the 23rd century.

That's a new one. I've seen alot of stories about time travelers killing Hitler in the bunker or as a baby, but none that decided the best course of action would be to exile him in ancient Rome.
 
Why does the empress need any type of redemption Arc ? she kind of has one with actually careing about Burnham and not torpedoing the whole planet. In general She Believes In The end justifies the means and that's not going to change and I don't want it to because it's a counter to saru or others that would let the Federation fall just to live up to there morals.
You need somebody that will pull the trigger
 
Why does the empress need any type of redemption Arc ? she kind of has one with actually careing about Burnham and not torpedoing the whole planet. In general She Believes In The end justifies the means and that's not going to change and I don't want it to because it's a counter to saru or others that would let the Federation fall just to live up to there morals.
You need somebody that will pull the trigger

And if that trigger is attached to a phaser rifle that kills you slowly by cooking your insides and making your eyes bleed, well that's Georgiou's kind of party. Georgiou's ends are always the same - she gets what she wants. She cares about Michael because she reminds her of her Michael from her universe. I don't think she needs a redemption arc, nor is she on one. In her universe, she raised Michael and loved her. Her transference of affection to this universe's Michael isn't growth, she already had that soft spot. She creates conflict for Michael, and acts as the devil on her shoulder, counter to Saru's angel on the other shoulder. She should stay as she is.
 
She already HAD her redemption arc. She joined Section 31 and helped defeat Control. That was the redemption arc.
I agree with you, but only up to a point. I think that was the first phase. They want to make her an anti-hero. That's pretty obvious. So "Far From Home" is basically the starting point for the next phase. It can't be an overnight thing.

They established when the chips are down, she'll help Saru, and she's definitely looking out for Burnham in her own way. She's not a team-player, though. So I think that's something they'll explore more of.

Saru does need to learn to be less dove-ish. Plan for peace, prepare for war.
 
If I want to know about ship specs, I'll watch them. Episode reviews? No. As soon as I get the sense someone's idea of what Star Trek should be is stuck in the '90s or early-2000s, I turn off the review.

It really does feel like they just want something totally different to me. I have lots of nostalgic love for Trek, but I’d they released TNG or TOS now, it just wouldn’t fly. Not with me anyway. And it’s not just Trek. I tried watching the Lethal Weapon movies the other day, and they’re just horrendously cheesy. At the time? Amazing. That’s all good and fine, just as lon as the new things we watch aren’t beholden to that standard. It’s too late, I’ve watched Sopranos, I’ve watched The Wire, I’ve watched Six Feet Under, and all these great shows that smashed the paradigm of 80s TV.

They loved LDS because of the references. As if good writing in Trek = references and bad = new things. It’s tediously close to the view of some of these. Hey, like what you like but saying something is bad (like he just did about USS Discovery) makes me switch off.
 
I'm actually fairly surprised that nobody's spewing Mountain Dew over their screen over Reno so flippantly forgetting poor Gene's name and how that represent the callous raping of someone's childhood. Well done guys, that's definite personal growth for some of you. That being said, I haven't checked YouTube for the usual suspects and their profitable hatred of any 21st century Trek. I could be very wrong.

My one little peeve, I don't like that replicators now look like modern 3d printers, or that the replicators in Picard worked more like 3d printers and less like transporters, which they used to. The replicators basically beamed up some simple matter, and reprogrammed it using transporter technology and stored transporter patterns. You could make a meal, set it into the replicator, essentially beam it up, store it, and it can reproduce your Granny's chicken soup at the press of a button, down to the last grain of salt, you can even taste some of the love. That was more advanced, faster and completely hands free, no human needed to wave a wand while the programmed item slowly builds up. Geordi could just order a part up and it would be replicated as quickly as it could have been teleported in.
 
Early into the episode: "We can't call for help. We can't call Michael."
End of the episode: Michael swoops in to help/save the day. Otherwise RIP Discovery and the crew.

This show can be a parody of itself at times. That line immediately took me out of the moment and then when Burnham showed up at the end doing whatever acting that was on the viewscreen... Why, show, why! :lol: I chalk it up to a lack of self awareness, but given some other stuff this episode that was pretty aware, maybe it's just trolling or their expert way of foreshadowing. But it didn't feel like them foreshadowing to me.

That aside, I really liked a good many parts of this one. The stuff with Detmer was really good. I can't wait to see where they go with that. I also loved the awareness of the writers about how annoying/helpless Tilly comes off to some of the crew. Reasonably or unreasonably. Georgiou's reaction, but especially Nhan's really highlighted that. And highlighted that Tilly's behavior early in the episode and throughout is a feature not a bug. I liked that. I liked Saru's reasoning for her going on the away mission and the way that was handled during the standoff. My favorite scene of the season so far.

RIP guy who believed in the Federation/Starfleet. I loved his character, and really liked the design of those aliens there. Gave me Buffy vibes for some reason.

The way things built up and everything with Saru this episode worked for me. The stuff with Stamets though was typical Discovery. Not much positives to say there other than the cameo of the actress who popped in to offer to help. Loved that bit and Stamets/Culber's little kiss, but everything else there was pretty underwhelming.

I found the end of S2 and the leaps in logic that had to go on to get them to where they are right now to be truly terrible, so every mention of stuff back to that season just kept bringing up those feelings. But I was glad to see they kept it to a minimum. Somewhat. I did like Nhan's personal rational for staying even it's well, whatever. Georgiou had a great response to it. The more I talk about the small moments in the episode, the more I like it. But I do see why some people had some issues like with Reno and her not caring about someone's name, or the ship surviving breaking through rocks/flying in the atmosphere/being able to take off, etc. But that's so common for Discovery that I guess I'm numb to that kinda stuff in this show and was actively trying to not let it get to me. For the most part it didn't.

I was not a fan of the overall storyline of season 1 or season 2. And I was especially not a fan of the execution of those stories and the leaps in logic to get from point a to b to f to x
to p to w. But I'm holding out hope that this will be the first good season of new live trek. I felt Picard suffered from the same problems as Discovery. After the s3 premiere of Discovery, I binge watched Lower Decks and was so glad I did. It's amazing. My favorite of the new shows by a longshot. Mariner <3 Ransom <3

As for this episode, I ended up giving it a 6. Somewhat regretting that. I guess I'm weary of rating it too highly given past experience with the show. I feel like Charlie Brown, where the showrunners are Lucy and are telling me they're not going to pull the football away this time. We'll see. I've not enjoyed how they've tried to wrap up these season-long mysteries in either of the three seasons they've tackled them in in Discovery or Picard. I've always believed that they don't need to be doing these galaxy/world/universe/multiverse ending storylines. But they always do and they always leave me with so many common sense questions that the writers either didn't think to ask, didn't care to ask, or did and went forward anyway not caring to make it make sense under the littlest of scrutiny. It feels like they're going to jump back into that this season as well, but maybe to a lesser degree. Hoping it's to a lesser degree at least.

With talking about the things I enjoyed, if I could change my rating I'd go from the 6 to a 7, I think. I really liked what they were going for down on the planet this episode. But I'm still cautious. I've liked these first two episodes. The last one had a lot more problems with it, especially how they treated Burnham and Book's murder hobo scenes, so yeah, with me thinking that one was a 6, this is a 7 for me. If I had waited even like twenty minutes before submitting a rating, or if anyone other than Burnham had tractored them/saved them after that early line sticking with me. :lol:
 
Early into the episode: "We can't call for help. We can't call Michael."
End of the episode: Michael swoops in to help/save the day. Otherwise RIP Discovery and the crew.

This show can be a parody of itself at times. That line immediately took me out of the moment and then when Burnham showed up at the end doing whatever acting that was on the viewscreen... Why, show, why! :lol: I chalk it up to a lack of self awareness, but given some other stuff this episode that was pretty aware, maybe it's just trolling or their expert way of foreshadowing. But it didn't feel like them foreshadowing to me.

You did actually watch last weeks episode and this weeks, right? Where it was established that Michael is LOOKING for signs of Discovery? And this weeks episode established that Georgiou actually said other people noticed Disco's arrival?
Sure, Disco didn't contact Michael..... But Michael was actually on active look-out for them......

Your argument is invalid.
 
Early into the episode: "We can't call for help. We can't call Michael."
End of the episode: Michael swoops in to help/save the day. Otherwise RIP Discovery and the crew.

This show can be a parody of itself at times.

I stopped reading there because I have a question. What is it about Saru/DSCs inability/reluctance to use scanning to avoid detection negates Burnham from detecting ships or detecting the gamma rays mentioned in the episode and why does it make it a self parody?

Seems to me that you’re criticising a show because you haven’t thought it through or understood it. If I’m missing something, I’m more than happy to change my opinion.
 
This raises a question though. We know that everyone who stayed on the Discovery did so by choice - because they had some connection to Michael. Why would Gene do so? He really wanted to leave all his friends/family behind in order to get insulted/ignored by officers and scoop up brain matter off the floor?
Perhaps because he has no family to speak of.
Might also be why he joined StarFleet to begin with, to try and do something with his life.
As a "Noncom" he may not have even gone through the Academy.
:shrug:
 
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I liked this one a little bit more than last week's. Maybe there was a lot of nostalgia for the crew together again (and I loved their interactions), but it was a really enjoyable adventure. Very curious to see what the new future has in store.

Humans were the baddies! Of course Georgiou was gonna save the day, with her ample experience with human scumbags in Section 31 and before it, the Mirror Universe.

Took me until 2 minutes before he died to place his species, but he guy who was shot was a Malon!

I note Mr Human Scumbag used the same "V'derash" slang for Federation that Craft did in "Castaway"
 
I'm actually fairly surprised that nobody's spewing Mountain Dew over their screen over Reno so flippantly forgetting poor Gene's name and how that represent the callous raping of someone's childhood. Well done guys, that's definite personal growth for some of you. That being said, I haven't checked YouTube for the usual suspects and their profitable hatred of any 21st century Trek. I could be very wrong.

I'm guessing there are various YouTube videos in production where they take the naming of a gore-cleaning superfluous character as "Gene" to be a shot at Roddenberry.

Admittedly, it was an entirely unnecessary scene, and the naming choice was odd.
 
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