Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[Visitor1982]

Its also possible she died in transit to the future when the wormhole pulled her back along with the suit (while she was outside of it).
In one of her mission logs, Burnham's mother mentions a 'polyphobic metamaterial' in the suit which protects against radiation, temperature fluctuations, or painful blood clots when she time traveled.

Not only that, but Burnham's mother was pulled back into the future in which Control wiped out all life.

Now, IF Michael's mother survived the trip back through the wormhole AND was somehow protected by the changes in the timeline (chalk it up to travelling so much through the wormhole to try and change history and then ending up travelling through the wormhole outside the suit and being exposed to chronitons which insulated her from changes in the timeline), she would have seen changes happening around her and might have been pulled into the new timeline where life was saved and is living on Terralysium (or is there and dying).

That, or she was stuck in the timeline where Control exists (with the changed timeline now being cutoff from that one so neither future Control nor Burnham's mother could re-enter it), or that timeline was erased (along with Burnham's mother).

There are possibilities here... but not seeing her mother in the promos doesn't say much nor is it an indication of her making an appearance or not.
Its also possible that she will not make an appearance, and may be mentioned in dialogue only.

Spoiler: mother

Burnham's mother will at least be in season 4. The actress playing her wrote on her instagram a few weeks ago she was going in quarantine for Star Trek.

 

[Hythlodeus]

the Discovery version of Klingon

also known as Klingon

 

[jackoverfull]

So, is this MAGA in space? or should I say MUGA (Make Universe Great Again)?

wasn't that T’Kuvma in season 1? I really don’t see it here.

How on earth is possible for her to be so strong and beat in hand to hand combats, men, klingons etc etc ?

Training. They’re even using believable moves here.

Dilithium rarity. It is now used as a currency, but if recrystallization tech is available why didn't they scavenge the remaining bits and do it en masse?

they probably do. But there might be very little dilithium left and there might even be a limit on how many times it can be regenerated.

So... Why was the guy at the station spending all his time sitting at a desk instead of doing repairs?

Perhaps he was? Perhaps the destroyed parts of the station were beyond his repair abilities or weren’t necessary for his job?

also known as Klingon

Klingorks?

 

[Happenstance]

also known as Klingon

I meant that as in the more throaty pronunciation.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Voyager had Janeway use a bat'leth to beat up Borg drones.

DS9 had Kira and Dax go toe to toe with Klingons unarmed too.

So, yeah, nothing new here..

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Excellent! Glad to know I didn’t imagine it then. Been so long since I’ve seen this. Makes me wish CBS would do a TNG remaster treatment for DS9 now.

Thank you for finding that,

 

[BillJ]

As far as the escape and casualties go, maybe Burnham just figured the galaxy owed her that one? She gave up everything to keep the galaxy safe from Control.

 

[TimeTravellingWhale]

Klingorks?

Klingoffs

 

[Uhura's Song]

While not shown, I’m sure both Jadzia and Kira could have done that.

Be'Lanna, too. Tasha as well. Hoshi was also pretty bad@$$ ny the end of ENT. And I'd give T'Pol a good shot. Hell, even Kes depending on where in her arc she was. Ro Laren. Seven.

So, pretty much all of them except for Uhura (TOS version), Nurse Chapel, Number One, Dr. Crusher, Troi, Dr. Pulaski, & Janeway.

 

[Uhura's Song]

The Discovery itself has the sphere data which is why it had to go into the future. Burnham promised Spock she would send the suit to give the 7th and last red signal, which she did, then I assumed it would destroy itself so no one could use the time technology. We saw the 7th and last signal in the season 2 finale when Spock was on the Enterprise so we have to assume it worked.

My impression was they were not discussing actual knowledge of the existence of Control back in the 23rd century if they stayed, they assumed it was destroyed in the dialogue, but it seemed that Burnham's mother ran the numbers, and any possible existence of Control matched with the presence of the sphere data created a mathematical probability that Control would destroy the universe.

Thanks for the answer. I think I was remembering the episode where they were transfering the sphere data to momma Burnham's suit and assumed they did something similar with Michael's suit as well. Though that was a different plan.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Are we now on about how women are portrayed fighting in Star Trek?

Honestly, if I had to take Star Trek actors into a fist fight, I would choose Nana Visitor and Terry Farrell over Alexander Siddig and Rene Auberjonois every day of the week.

 

[Uhura's Song]

TOS started out as the Kirk show. As Spock became popular he got more focus. Even when he was the focus Kirk played a big part (Amok Time. Journey To Babel...) We've had episodes that gave Saru and Tilly a lot do and development much in the way Spock was.
Picard rapidly became the lead in TNG, even though the original plan was for Riker to be more of an equal character.
DS9 was more of an ensemble, but Sisko was clearly the lead, the Bajoran messiah and savior of the Federation.
Voyager was the Janeway show

I agree in the main. A few tidbits:

TOS: McCoy was the third part of tge triumverate by S2. Though clearly more of a minor player than Kirk or Spock, he still was more involved than Sulu, Scotty, Uhura, & Checkov.

TNG. Picard & Data as Kirk & Spock 2.0. Though the others generally had a bit more to do, especially as the seasons went on. 3rd wheel would be Riker.

DS9. More of an ensemble.Sisko the obvious lead. Ben & Jake. Ben & Dax. Kira/Odo. Those were the centers.

VOY. Janeway. Then Janeway & Seven. Though the Doctor fought his way in by the end. Kind of like McCoy.

ENT. Archer. T'Pol. And Tripp.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Riffing on what Jadeb said, the problem with the violence isn't really that Michael and Book go on a killing spree. It's that the direction implied that it was no big thing that they went on a killing spree.

I don't want to have Star Trek ultra-sanitized and violence free. But I expect adult stories which show that even winning has a price. I mean, as an example, on Deep Space Nine the writers humanized the friggin Jem'Haddar - who were bred to be nothing other than disposable cannon fodder. We were supposed to feel there was something tragic about the conflict, because that's what war is. Good people die who don't have to on both sides.

This episode treated violence like something out of a video game. Book snaps the neck of an Andorian who is already prone on the floor, and stoned Michael just giggles. The two heavies of the episode get eaten by a giant worm, which is meant to be played for laughs. The rando mooks just get vaporized within less than a second of beaming in. Vaporized bloodlessly I would add, which is part of the problem - the lack of any blood/gore makes the scene seem "unreal" in a way that (as an example) Elnor's body count in Picard did not.

I think the episode could easily kept the same script and just had the firefight shot in such a way to show that these are real people, who are having real suffering as a result of Book and Michael's actions. This would make the viewer uncomfortable, but IMHO this is a good thing, as it helps set up for why the Federation is needed - because without some sort of central government, perfectly decent sentient beings will be killing each other over relatively trivial matters. Instead of "we need the Federation to stop these bandits" it becomes "we need the Federation so we don't all just live as bandits." I think the latter is still way more conservative than I would like, but it's at least a more adult, less black/white take.

Excellent post.

The more I watch Disco, I feel it is like eating empty calories. It's OK but not fulfilling in any way.

Maybe it will get better, or get back to where we were halfway through S2, but I think I am out until S2 of Picard or SNW starts. I will catch up then. Saving my pennies.

(Now watch the next episode after I cancel my subscription be really excellent)

 

[Tim Thomason]

also known as Klingon

I don't think this was made as an insult. The "Discovery version of Klingon" is a more exact dialect, matching Okrand's intent more than the TNG era shows or even the TOS movies, and supported by onset linguists and dialogue coaches.

It's definitely a notable version of Klingon than what has come before.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Are we now on about how women are portrayed fighting in Star Trek?

Honestly, if I had to take Star Trek actors into a fist fight, I would choose Nana Visitor and Terry Farrell over Alexander Siddig and Rene Auberjonois every day of the week.

Agree 100%. ST undersells the women sometimes as well.

I remember an interview with Marina Sirtis & Gates McFadden, they were discussing the Q/Vash/Robin Hood episode. When they storm the castle, all the male characters are fighting hand to hand or with swords, while Troi & Crusher are hitting people with pots.

The only two actors who actually knew how to fence? Sirtis & McFadden.

 

[KennyB]

So, after really disliking 2 seasons of Disco, of course I gave it another chance, because maybe I am a bigger Trekkie than I want to admit

"the hope is you commander Burnham".
Well, nothing really changed for this show, Burnham is still everything

So, is this MAGA in space? or should I say MUGA (Make Universe Great Again)?
hmm.. not a very big fan of this plot, I mean coming from the past and try to bring back what was good in your past and completely ignoring how the world evolved those 900 years. Maybe dunno, there is no room for a Federation in the year 3000... because I dunno things evolve? Maybe live a bit in this "new world" and get to know it better before trying to change it?
On the other hand it does make sense, I mean Burnham has just saved the universe, I guess she must be feeling like she can do pretty much anything now (ok, I correct this a bit, she always felt she can do anything).

The federation guy felt more like worshiping a cult for 40 years, it was kind of creepy.
Anyway, we will have to wait and see how they will develop this story. It might not go as we expect.

I can't say I was impressed, but this is set up episode, so too soon to say, which is why I didn't give it a grade. No verdict yet for season 3, but at least I am willing to see more.

I really like David Ajala, he was my antidote to "too much Burnham". And of course the cat. Not sure about "Molly" though..

P.S.1
Really, why they didn't name it "Star Trek Burnham"? I mean Star Trek Picard had less Picard in it than Disco has Burnham. This is not an ironic question or anything, the whole damn show is Burnham.

P.S.2
How on earth is possible for her to be so strong and beat in hand to hand combats, men, klingons etc etc ?
It was kind of ridiculous when she initially fought Book.
To be honest I Fast Forward lots of season 2, did I miss the part where they explained she has any special powers?

Since the show was announced it was always known that this was her story and it is from her POV and she is the lead...........four years later you still have trouble with this concept? Why does a strong woman of color bother you so much? If you fast forwarded "lots of season 2" then you missed a lot of good stuff. I doubt you really did though.

 

[eschaton]

I kinda disagree that early TOS was the "Captain Kirk show" Certain episodes absolutely were, like Dagger of the Mind and What Are Little Girls Made Of? But a lot of other early episodes - like Charlie X, The Man Trap, The Corbomite Maneuver, etc - were proto-ensemble pieces. Uhura got a lot more to do in these early episodes, Rand was strongly featured, there were a handful of recurring characters like Riley, etc. This conceit kinda ended once Gene Coon took over, with anyone other than the "guest of the week" who wasn't part of the core cast pretty much relegated to an extra.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Why does a strong woman of color bother you so much?

A person of color already saved a quarter of the galaxy and ascendede to the pantheon of the gods. Whatever Michael Burnham does is not excessively innovative.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I kinda disagree that early TOS was the "Captain Kirk show" Certain episodes absolutely were, like Dagger of the Mind and What Are Little Girls Made Of? But a lot of other early episodes - like Charlie X, The Man Trap, The Corbomite Maneuver, etc - were proto-ensemble pieces. Uhura got a lot more to do in these early episodes, Rand was strongly featured, there were a handful of recurring characters like Riley, etc. This conceit kinda ended once Gene Coon took over, with anyone other than the "guest of the week" who wasn't part of the core cast pretty much relegated to an extra.

Being the "Captain Kirk Show" doesn't mean it's a one man show. Kirk needs characters to play off of. Which is what the co-stars and supporting players were for. Same for the co-stars and supports in DISCO. Rand was a co-star, on the same level as McCoy, IIRC. So her prominence in episodes like Charlie X (and McCoy's in The Man Trap) is to be expected. Still Charlie X is about Charlie and Kirk. Riley only appeared twice and that the second appearance was a fluke. They cast Bruce Hyde and then realized that he played Riley in The Naked Time, so the character in Conscious of the King was changed to Riley. As a sort of anthology, the guest-stars of the week were supposed to prominent.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Are we now on about how women are portrayed fighting in Star Trek?

Honestly, if I had to take Star Trek actors into a fist fight, I would choose Nana Visitor and Terry Farrell over Alexander Siddig and Rene Auberjonois every day of the week.

you know who I honestly thought was the best female fighter in Trek?

Admiral Cornwell.

She could kick the shit out of ANYBODY.

I mean, she survived a Klingon prison of all things, what does THAT tell ya?

 

[BillJ]

I mean, she survived a Klingon prison of all things, what does THAT tell ya?

That the writers were on her side...

Honestly, very few humans should be able to survive a Klingon prison, male or female. Much like Khan should've wiped the floor with Kirk in "Space Seed", shouldn't have even been a question.