Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[Bad Thoughts]

(Yes, I know books are not canon, but still very similar concept)

True, but you opened up an avenue to say that there is nothing original about contemporary Trek.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Or maybe a holographic O'Brien with the time written across his chest instead of the bird.

Wow, that's awesome.

 

[Crewman6]

I've always found that to enjoy TV sci-fi in general, and Star Trek in particular, you just have to forgive some ridiculous plot contrivances from time to time.

I'm okay with "from time to time". But when it's the foundation of an entire season of storytelling, it's a big issue.

I could almost have looked past that contrivance if it was in the service of getting us to an interesting place. And there were brief glimmers of that in the new episode before it continues to shoot itself in the foot.

The vast majority of it was typical Discovery idiocy, so now that dilithium issue just becomes the latest in a long line of dumbass moves. It may not have even been the worst thing in the episode. Maybe.

 

[fireproof78]

It probably wasn't. Discovery always is the worst.

Tongue in cheek to avoid accusations of diminishing opinions.

 

[Quinton]

Sahil is so cool. Book's going to get the bulk of the love and that's perfectly fine; he's amazing. But wow. Sahil had me in tears ;_;

 

[MisterD]

All Dilithium blowing up the same time has something to do with the mycelial network I guess. Or not....but at this point I would concider it one way the writers could go without pulling too much new space wizardry out of ....ähm..nowhere.

 

[TimeTravellingWhale]

All Dilithium blowing up the same time has something to do with the mycelial network I guess. Or not....but at this point I would concider it one way the writers could go without pulling too much new space wizardry out of ....ähm..nowhere.

Maybe a Q-Like being messed up the rules for atomic decay or something like that, but what would it gain from that?

 

[Fateor]

No, they didn't. Book explicitly mentions 2 or three other methods that aren't viable. Massive, galaxywide destruction of the majority of ships, space stations, ship yards, etc. killing some significant fraction of space power and Starfleet crews/leadership. Not so easy to rebuilt that fast. Plus since we don't know exactly where they are or what the rest of the Federation is like, there could be a core set of worlds (centered on Earth, naturally) where they have new ships and new rebuilding - we just didn't see it in the first hour of the season.

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No, they mentioned 3 other methods of FTL, not other methods of powering the warp drive.

 

[thribs]

Trekyards brought up a interesting thing about this episode being the first episode in all of Trek to not have any white humans in it.

 

[fireproof78]

I figure it was some sort of subspace frequency that impacted dilithium on a molecular level.

 

[MisterD]

Maybe a Q-Like being messed up the rules for atomic decay or something like that, but what would it gain from that?

I have no Idea.

But at the beginning of S03E01 when Michael and Booker meet he asks her how she got there and that the Gorn messed with space or something like that. I bet this season is going to have an environmental theme going on. Gorn destroy space, booker is a member of space-greenpeace and someone caused the Delithiumchrystals to explode because of the mecylial network and only discovery can fix it......there you go.

 

[thribs]

There was a JJVerse novel that came out recently about aliens from another realm/universe that caused dilithium to mutate and become unstable. Could be something similar here

 

[MisterD]

Trekyards brought up a interesting thing about this episode being the first episode in all of Trek to not have any white humans in it.

One time Foley came on a livestream, completely unprepared, just sitting there. After twenty minutes or so he complained about people not giving him enaugh money for just sitting there and breathing....never watched another episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They can't travel at plot speeds because the plot crystals conveniently broke in a plot storm. Makes sense to me.

Plot speed doesn't care about crystals and storms.

 

[thribs]

One time Foley came on a livestream, completely unprepared, just sitting there. After twenty minutes or so he complained about people not giving him enaugh money for just sitting there and breathing....never watched another episode.

It’s better when it’s both of them. The fun comes in talking the comment section

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

Trekyards brought up a interesting thing about this episode being the first episode in all of Trek to not have any white humans in it.

I don't think there were any humans at all on Hima. So from a storytelling aspect it makes perfect sense.

As for Book's Sanctuary Four, there was a white guy standing behind him (I just checked; like 42:42 in or thereabout... ).

I feel like some kind of joke is in order. Anyway, if the usual suspects continue to harp on this, then, well... obvious is obvious.

Oh, and for those worried about Dilithium... the plot crystals (and I love that term), I wouldn't worry too much.

Remember, Discovery has a science advisor, Dr. Erin Macdonald, Ph.D., Astrophysics.

It's going to be fine.

 

[Ometiklan]

I enjoyed it and am curious where Trek's future is going. Even without the Federation, all those aliens seemed to be working together pretty well.

Yeah, except for all the random arrests, drugging, interrogation, thievery, animal enslavement, assaults, murder/self-defense deaths, backstabbing, insulting, starving people, etc.

...UGH. Why did I give this show another chance?

What would you have to complain about then?

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No, they mentioned 3 other methods of FTL, not other methods of powering the warp drive.

You are correct, you initially mentioned powering the warp drive - I went with alt methods of travel. I still think the overall picture makes a lot of sense. As I mentioned earlier, massive galaxy-wide destruction of infrastructure, ships, people, etc. left the Federations and other planets devastated. So in the 120 years, they probably have been looking for new methods of storing and expending massive amounts of energy needed for the warp drive, at the same time they are reviving older FTL methods. But without the organized, stabilizing, and technologically homogenizing presence of the Federation, each region probably develops their own workarounds. In this area, they have been working with the remains of dilithium. Maybe they don't have the scientists and engineers available to build the new system yet. Elsewhere, who knows?

 

[MisterD]

It’s better when it’s both of them. The fun comes in talking the comment section

Well....I like cockins or what his name is. Sometimes hard to understand, especiallly when you are not a native speaker. But he is likable. And I enjoyed the channel when it was mostly about just the ships.

My personal low point with trekyards was when Foley and Lore were on screen the same time. Still have nightmares...

 

[jackoverfull]

True, but you opened up an avenue to say that there is nothing original about contemporary Trek.

oh no, what have I done!?

On another topic, really great to see some real martial arts used in a fight instead of that Vulcan nonsense from season one. I recognized at least a Uchikaitenage and a Kotegaeshi and everything else looked quite believable too.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It's actually to modulate the reaction between matter and anti-matter.

As has already been said, the fact that an inert crystalline substance spontaneously "explodes" across the galaxy at the same time (regardless of the conditions its in) is the dumbest, most laughable, most non-scientific level of idiocy that has arguably ever existed in Star Trek this side of "Threshold." it's the most Alex Kurtzman-y idea in a long line of awful Kurtzman-y ideas.

Let alone the fact that it's been 700 years, there would be countless alternate fuel sources. Let alone we already know many advanced species/governments don't use dilithium.

UGH. Why did I give this show another chance?

Wait till we actually learn the cause before judging. It's unlikely they just exploded for no reason, it was probably deliberately done by someone. For all we know the Q finally judged humans guilty and did it themselves. Or some extradimensional entity did it in self defense, or, or, or, who knows?

And we do have alternate sources, Book mentioned slipstream. It's just harder and rarer. But why do you assume there EXIST other ways to generate enough power for warp?