Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[Isaac Lawrence]

She is presenting herself as a professional cultural critic, so her standards for criticism ought to be higher. I would characterize all the Fandom Menace videos as iconoclasm: trying to smear or tear down cultural artifacts (entertainment franchises, in this case) that offend their sensibilities. One of her criticisms for this episode was that because only Michael Burnham appeared in the episode from among the entire regular cast, Discovery was failing in its promise to be diverse. It's really over the top stuff.

And by "diverse", they probably mean "white people".

Yeah, one of her cohorts was saying that this was the first Star Trek episode with no white actors (or at least the only ones that were, were in make-up and costume). I hadn't even noticed that, but I guess it's true.

EDIT: Of course, it most likely fit the story. There's probably only aliens on Hima.

Why in Roddenberrys name is there so much "esotherical" stuff going on in new trek? I know that this probably happens in every series at one point or another....I get it. But now it feels like every second lifeform is member of a religeous cult or has a special connection to nature and what not. So many people in the universe are runnung around in robes, living in monasterys and have magical powers. Its like the universe was created by my mid fiftys esotherical neighbour. And she can feel the truth, talks to her plants and a stone on her shelf protects her from bad energy.

Strange new worlds, baby. Strange new worlds.

 

[Lord Garth]

or whatever the federation national anthem (which we heard in the DS9 baseball episode) so it’s not pro-American centric.

Yeah, true. I was going somewhere else with that. A little in-joke. Vger's coached sports and I record sports. So I always hear The Star-Spangled Banner, and I figure he must've heard it a lot too.

I record high school sports. So it's that and whatever music the kids listen to while they warm up. If I never hear Eminem again, it'll be too soon. Or the song Bring 'Em Out by T.I.

 

[JD]

I realized I forgot to check out the thread after I watched the episode yesterday.
It was a nice introduction to the new era, and to Book.
Some of the new effects and things they introduced with the 31st tech, like the new interfaces and Sahil's materializing and dematerializing furniture and bathroom fixtures was pretty cool. The new viewscreens with the 3D faces was too.
As an animal person, I loved that Book's job was to bring the trance worm to an animal sanctuary.
Love the exterior and interior design for Book's ship.
The set up for the mystery of The Burn and the fall of the Federation seems like it should good place to set off this season's arc.

 

[MisterD]

Not a DS9 FAN I take it?

I love DS9. Not much of fan of the whole pah ghost plotline. It's not the depiction of religion itself....its the overdose of people in robes and magic combined with new age nonsense that dosent really go anywhere. Everyone is a spaceelve now. And every species has temples or magical caves and stuff...

I’m not so sure. 1300 years into the future, there’s bound to be technological advancements or advancements in this study of physics, botany, biology, etc that may appear like magic or supernatural.

Yes I get your point. There is a famous quote that future technology might appear like magic and so on ....and this MIGHT be true. But its the depiction. Its always so magical and mystical. And of course they cant just use their technology without looking like they are praying and mumbling in mystical tungs.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

What would be a good example? Again, I always struggle with wanting a lot of information (that's my biggest thing in reading stories) but it becomes an exposition dump. I mean, I do like exposition but I know that Discovery will get destroyed for it.

Mostly the situation on the planet they were on, considering it took up the majority of the episode, and how Book figured into the society professionally.

 

[Vger23]

Yes I get your point. There is a famous quote that future technology might appear like magic and so on ....and this MIGHT be true. But its the depiction. Its always so magical and mystical. And of course they cant just use their technology without looking like they are praying and mumbling in mystical tungs.

Gotcha. I think it might just be a way of showing how things can be wonderous and unknown, even in the future?

I guess it’s perhaps that there’s no reason to believe certain forms of spirituality or “connectedness” are going to vanish from people’s belief systems.

 

[fireproof78]

Mostly the situation on the planet they were on, considering it took up the majority of the episode, and how Book figured into the society professionally.

I can see that but I liked the mystery so I guess I'm willing to wait and see.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And every species has temples or magical caves and stuff...

I must admit I was a bit annoyed when Vulcans took a mystical turn.

 

[TimeTravellingWhale]

A very nice beginning to the season, it gets an 8 from me.
I want an holo alarm bird!
The cinematography was done very well, with much less lensflares than in seasons 1 and 2, and the whole episode kinda reminded me of my trip to iceland
What threw me out of the immersion, like others in the thread already stated, is that michael would just vaporise 20+ people without any emotions.
We still dont know all details about the burn, but you can only pack so much information in 50 minutes.
I loved the ending scene, it was very moving and rounded up the episode nicely. I like sahil, i hope we get to see more of him.
The worst thing about having to wait 24 hours before it comes on netflix is that i have to read 30 pages of thread that have already been posted

 

[DaveyNY]

Oh I just remembered one thing that annoyed me:

The scene when Burnham has a scratch and Booker starts talking to the plant or whatever happened, in my dub Michael asks something like: "are you praying?" and he goes "Kinda.".

That scene almost was too much for me. Why in Roddenberrys name is there so much "esotherical" stuff going on in new trek? I know that this probably happens in every series at one point or another....I get it. But now it feels like every second lifeform is member of a religeous cult or has a special connection to nature and what not. So many people in the universe are runnung around in robes, living in monasterys and have magical powers. Its like the universe was created by my mid fiftys esotherical neighbour. And she can feel the truth, talks to her plants and a stone on her shelf protects her from bad energy.

I wish the producers would tone down such stuff a little bit.

You answered your own question... "Why in Roddenberry's Name" ...
I believe if you go back and count, you'll find many, many episodes of TOS that contained the exact same thing. (good or bad)
So you CAN blame Gene for its continuation for the last 50 some odd years.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Yeah, one of her cohorts was saying that this was the first Star Trek episode with no white actors (or at least the only ones that were, were in make-up and costume). I hadn't even noticed that, but I guess it's true.

To paraphase Blazing Saddles, Michael Burnham's grandmother is Dutch.

 

[MisterD]

You answered your own question... "Why in Roddenberry's Name" ...
I believe if you go back and count, you'll find many, many episodes of TOS that contained the exact same thing.
So you CAN blame Gene for its continuation for the last 50 some odd years.

Yeah probaly. But is it the same with TNG? And can I really believe that the producers of new trek incorporated this stuff because of Gene Rodderry? I mean seriously. L'Rell held the Klingon empire hostage with an I-pad that controls the bomb the Federation planted inside Qo'noS in an attempt of massmurder. But the writers room really paid attention to shove as much eso-stuff in as possible in an attempt to hold up the legacy of Gene Roddenbarry? I don't know...sounds a little far fetched to me.

 

[fireproof78]

No it's just a part of Trek, which makes it has for taking as anything else in the show, esoteric or not.

Also, I blame Nimoy.

 

[MisterD]

Maybe its a case of selective perception that this stuff sticks out to me so much. Or probably they really amped it up in comparison to the TNG-era shows because its a zeitgeist thing. I don't know. Would be interesting if there were any statistics.

One way or the other: I find it repetetativ and annoying. Not enaugh to hate the show, I gave this episode a 8 out of ten, but still....

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I blame Nimoy

Not Terry!

 

[Crewman6]

The purpose of dilithium in warp engines is to contain antimatter. Antimatter is the fuel.

It's actually to modulate the reaction between matter and anti-matter.

As has already been said, the fact that an inert crystalline substance spontaneously "explodes" across the galaxy at the same time (regardless of the conditions its in) is the dumbest, most laughable, most non-scientific level of idiocy that has arguably ever existed in Star Trek this side of "Threshold." it's the most Alex Kurtzman-y idea in a long line of awful Kurtzman-y ideas.

Let alone the fact that it's been 700 years, there would be countless alternate fuel sources. Let alone we already know many advanced species/governments don't use dilithium.

UGH. Why did I give this show another chance?

 

[jackoverfull]

About Michael being very emotive in this particular episode, I found it very relatable.

I remember well how I felt coming out unscathed from a potentially lethal car accident, imagine getting out of a battle, falling to a planet and discovering you managed to “save all the things”.

 

[Nyotarules]

But this gets back to the point I made upthread. We were led to believe that life in the Federation is good because "humanity had evolved" or some such thing. Basically, that we (and other species) decided to put on our big boy pants and let go of shallow things like bigotry, materialism, etc.

I have no problem believing that without much FTL travel, it would become logistically impossible to actually keep the Federation going. But if things are actually crapsack, it means the Pax Romana provided for by the Federation wasn't due to moral advancement, it was the order and stability provided for by the government. And that's a really Hobbesian, reactionary, authoritarian statement.

Or Quark's statement came true, take away their technological toys and replicators and humans (and other UFP beings) resort to type. In real life look how people become during and after a recession, that's when the blame the immigrant/foreigners folks get their biggest audience (cough cough BREXIT)

 

[fireproof78]

It's amazing what the threshold for bad science is for individual fans.

 

[jackoverfull]

As has already been said, the fact that an inert crystalline substance spontaneously "explodes" across the galaxy at the same time (regardless of the conditions its in) is the dumbest, most laughable, most non-scientific level of idiocy that has arguably ever existed in Star Trek this side of "Threshold." it's the most Alex Kurtzman-y idea in a long line of awful Kurtzman-y idea

I imagine more will come up on the topic. And how do you know crystalline dilithium is inert, by the way?

Let alone the fact that it's been 700 years, there would be countless alternate fuel sources.

a couple are mentioned.

UGH. Why did I give this show another chance?

yeah, why?