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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x10 - "No Small Parts"

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - An excellent finale.

    Votes: 172 75.8%
  • 9

    Votes: 36 15.9%
  • 8

    Votes: 9 4.0%
  • 7

    Votes: 4 1.8%
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    Votes: 3 1.3%
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    Votes: 0 0.0%
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  • 2

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1 - A poor finale.

    Votes: 3 1.3%

  • Total voters
    227
It's my second-favorite Trek series after TOS and despite individual episodes and storylines that don't work or didn't land for me I can't even remotely say it didn't fit into the franchise. It embodied Star Trek in everything but visiting a new planet every week and even that trope picked up after they got the Defiant.
 
I kind of always took the Benny Russell idea as potentially 'true' even without some final scene 'invalidating' DS9 or Star Trek as a whole. It could be argued that Star Trek was in the imagination of a single African American writer in the 1950s, or Benny Russell, for whatever reason, had some extra-temporal awareness, a connection to the Prophets, or whatever. Both could be 'true'. Of course, ultimately, neither is true!
 
If something's good, it's good. Deep Space Nine isn't one of my fave Trek shows, but that's not because it somehow wasn't a good fit for the franchise.

I wasn't really talking about the quality, just looking at it from a business perspective. Of selling the show over and over again.
 
I kind of always took the Benny Russell idea as potentially 'true' even without some final scene 'invalidating' DS9 or Star Trek as a whole. It could be argued that Star Trek was in the imagination of a single African American writer in the 1950s, or Benny Russell, for whatever reason, had some extra-temporal awareness, a connection to the Prophets, or whatever. Both could be 'true'. Of course, ultimately, neither is true!

"This is an IMAGINARY STORY... Aren't they all?" - Alan Moore
 
Trek hasn't had anything much meaningful to say about race much since the initial casting of a black actor as a bridge officer on the Enterprise in TOS.

Let's not minimize the importance of Trek envisioning a future that was beyond race, where bigotry was minimized and where it was taken as a given that all people should be considered equal and accorded basic human rights. That was not a given at the time TOS aired, and sadly, is still not a given in all too many people's minds.

What DS9 had to say about race was more profound, naturally, which was that a) Sisko could be and rightfully was just as proud of his African-American roots as Scotty and Chekov were of their respective ancestries and b) just because discrimination among humans was a thing of the past doesn't mean that people should gloss over it.

Steering this to back to LDS for a sec, part of the reason why some fans didn't really like it when it was starting out was because they felt it had an agenda to say "white man, bad, woman of color, good." I find it really depressing that people had that takeaway, or that they might have enjoyed the show if it was Boimler were a woman of color and Mariner were a white male.
 
Steering this to back to LDS for a sec, part of the reason why some fans didn't really like it when it was starting out was because they felt it had an agenda to say "white man, bad, woman of color, good." I find it really depressing that people had that takeaway, or that they might have enjoyed the show if it was Boimler were a woman of color and Mariner were a white male.
Too bad I can only like this post once.
 
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Steering this to back to LDS for a sec, part of the reason why some fans didn't really like it when it was starting out was because they felt it had an agenda to say "white man, bad, woman of color, good." I find it really depressing that people had that takeaway, or that they might have enjoyed the show if it was Boimler were a woman of color and Mariner were a white male.
^^^
So, pretty much the same ground ST: D started 'covering' in 2017 with LBGTQ+ representation as well. (And disliked for a lot of the same reasons.)
 
Lorca from the MU was disappointing but I still really enjoy him and the MU twist was still enjoyable.

Against the good stuff with the Klingons and Burnham I think a misstep is forgivable.
 
Problem with the MU twist was that it was very predictable. Especially with Frakes giving away the fact they were going to the mirror universe.
I was expecting more to it
 
I enjoyed a couple of MU episodes, but in the end that plot was overly long and badly written, imho.

And totally destroyed Lorca just when he was finally beginning to become interesting.
 
Let's not minimize the importance of Trek envisioning a future that was beyond race, where bigotry was minimized and where it was taken as a given that all people should be considered equal and accorded basic human rights. That was not a given at the time TOS aired, and sadly, is still not a given in all too many people's minds.

No one's minimizing it. I gave them all the credit they're due for the single creative decision they made in that regard. Half a century ago.

The fact is, however, that Trek doesn't deal with race. It wishes the issue away. There's no engagement there beyond platitudes. In our world, this stuff is a daily struggle with deadly consequences for millions of people. In the "Star Trek Universe" it's a problem that doesn't exist. It just vanished.

Now, it's fine that some people still consider that "aspirational" - "It gives us something to look forward to." Another way of looking at it, though, is that after half a century in which the real world is still deeply mired in the awful consequences of racism Star Trek becomes more and more an escape - a wish fulfillment fantasy of a world without problems, offering no useful observations about our world and lives in this regard or how such a world might come into being. Every social problem that Trek posits as having been "solved" in its future has simply disappeared without explanation, without honest examination of the problems, their impact on people or how to solve them.

It's nice that some people find it encouraging and can embrace it as a symbol of hope, but the last thing it is, is a call to action to make this world a better place. It's just a story book fantasy for people to escape into.
 
No one's minimizing it. I gave them all the credit they're due for the single creative decision they made in that regard. Half a century ago.

The fact is, however, that Trek doesn't deal with race. It wishes the issue away. There's no engagement there beyond platitudes. In our world, this stuff is a daily struggle with deadly consequences for millions of people. In the "Star Trek Universe" it's a problem that doesn't exist. It just vanished.

Now, it's fine that some people still consider that "aspirational" - "It gives us something to look forward to." Another way of looking at it, though, is that after half a century in which the real world is still deeply mired in the awful consequences of racism Star Trek becomes more and more an escape - a wish fulfillment fantasy of a world without problems, offering no useful observations about our world and lives in this regard or how such a world might come into being. Every social problem that Trek posits as having been "solved" in its future has simply disappeared without explanation, without honest examination of the problems, their impact on people or how to solve them.

It's nice that some people find it encouraging and can embrace it as a symbol of hope, but the last thing it is, is a call to action to make this world a better place. It's just a story book fantasy for people to escape into.

I absolutely agree here, but really it's just human racism that's gone in Star Trek. Plenty of characters are casually racist towards other species, including Jonathan Archer, Leonard McCoy, and Miles O'Brien. Thus racism hasn't really been solved, it's just been projected further outward.
 
The MU arc saved Disco S1 for me.

Anyone remember Bele and Lokai?

Ransom working out after mentioning how he gets hard when she makes him hard could've been a reference to ENT Bound, where the guys are working out to distract themselves from the Orions.
 
I absolutely agree here, but really it's just human racism that's gone in Star Trek. Plenty of characters are casually racist towards other species, including Jonathan Archer, Leonard McCoy, and Miles O'Brien. Thus racism hasn't really been solved, it's just been projected further outward.

That's a good point, and it suggests that the creative minds behind Trek, particularly the various revivals, have never been engaged in thinking through what is the substance of racism and bigotry. They don't really recognize bigotry when they see it, except in the most conventionally defined forms.

Roddenberry certainly had a liberal social consciousness for a man of his background in his day. There's no question of that. But in conception and design Star Trek drew much of its format and storytelling approach from previous popular cultural representations of historical eras and movements that were steeped in racism: 19th century European colonialism and the westward expansion of European settlements in North America. Spock himself was, conceptually, an avatar familiar from American western movies, pulp stories and TV; the "half-breed" adopted into the dominant group. Consequentially he and his culture were portrayed with the exoticism and stereotyping that were accepted in those kinds of stories. Both the broad-brush assignment of peculiar psychological quirks as intrinsic to his people and civilization and the casual mockery and disrespect of both, notably on the part of one of the show's most sympathetic and supposedly humane characters, McCoy, set the pattern for the treatment of "non-human" people in the franchise ever since. Far from being progressive, present-day
Trek is atavistic with respect to these elements.

So, to use a specific example from the current run: characters identified as human and identified as members of groups that moral people now recognize as marginalized and suppressed, like Burnham or Stamets, are well and respectfully portrayed, as everyone should be. But when it's necessary for the writers to find a shorthand way to make the antagonistic aliens unsympathetic and deserving of emotionally motivated, violent deaths? Why, they're cannibals.* No one creating this feels the need to even think that through.**

When created, Star Trek was an admirable, well-motivated effort to take a moral stand in support of equality and human rights. I doubt that anyone - around here, anyway - questions the high-minded intentions of the producers and writers. But it embodied the myopia of its time then and has just not evolved very much in this regard over the decades and as a result is glaringly narrowminded and backward in important respects now. It falls back on lazy storytelling cliches and tropes without much self-examination.


*Klingons eating humans and humans eating Kelpians are ethically cannibals, sorry. Deal with it.

**This was GR's first take on the Ferengi when he invented them with the intention that they would be the new "big bad" on TNG, as well. Not consciously racist I'm sure, but not by happenstance either IMO. The assignment of this defined-as-repulsive characteristic to the Other comes most directly out of colonialism.
 
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No one's minimizing it. I gave them all the credit they're due for the single creative decision they made in that regard. Half a century ago.

The fact is, however, that Trek doesn't deal with race. It wishes the issue away. There's no engagement there beyond platitudes. In our world, this stuff is a daily struggle with deadly consequences for millions of people. In the "Star Trek Universe" it's a problem that doesn't exist. It just vanished.

Now, it's fine that some people still consider that "aspirational" - "It gives us something to look forward to." Another way of looking at it, though, is that after half a century in which the real world is still deeply mired in the awful consequences of racism Star Trek becomes more and more an escape - a wish fulfillment fantasy of a world without problems, offering no useful observations about our world and lives in this regard or how such a world might come into being. Every social problem that Trek posits as having been "solved" in its future has simply disappeared without explanation, without honest examination of the problems, their impact on people or how to solve them.

It's nice that some people find it encouraging and can embrace it as a symbol of hope, but the last thing it is, is a call to action to make this world a better place. It's just a story book fantasy for people to escape into.

Beyond the mere fact of casting Uhura as a capable and likable bridge crew officer and beyond the aspiration of a day when human racism has vanished, Trek also deserves credit for attacking racism by way of analogy. When Kirk tells the lieutenant that bigotry has no place on his bridge in Balance of Terror, he's not just talking about anti-Romulan sentiment. When it is shown that black/white versus white/black tensions left a whole civilization die, it's not talking just about aliens.

Again, these are simplistic messages from the perspective of 2020, and don't reflect the real world fully/fairly because it implies that both sides are equally to blame. But for the 1960s, it was definitely pretty radical and a call for action. It inspired people of all colors to work for that future in the real world, and in particular inspired people of color to shoot for careers in the sciences because they saw role models in characters like Uhura, Geordi, and so forth.

Yes, it has its own internalized issues with racism too, and yes, I would like to have seen and to see Trek go farther on issues of race (among many others). But I'm not sure that one can ask for much more from a piece of mainstream entertainment.
 
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