You can reopen to a certain degree, but masks and social distancing are imperative to the process. You just can't throw everyone out there and hope for the best. Some businesses will definitely take a hit, but pandemics aren't all wine and roses.
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You can reopen to a certain degree, but masks and social distancing are imperative to the process. You just can't throw everyone out there and hope for the best. Some businesses will definitely take a hit, but pandemics aren't all wine and roses.
I absolutely agree with you, 100% in fact, I hate wearing them. I just hate the thought of myself or someone I love catching COVID-19 more. Most of the time, most folks can shake it off, but it is a motherfucker to a portion of the population. I'm not interested in finding out if I'm one of them or not.
Better reason would be that kids are Petri dishes of various communicable viruses and bacteria.
they used to only cost $30,000 but demand must have gone up because now when they show up when the price has skyrocketed.
Still, I'm sure that kremlin goblin could spare a used one for his orange lickspittle over here
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Soviet-Rus...820892?hash=item4b6fd5aa1c:g:cAsAAOSwPv9bWdLc
there, he'll look fashionable and wont get anyone else sick
Still, I'm sure that kremlin goblin could spare a used one for his orange lickspittle over here
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Soviet-Rus...820892?hash=item4b6fd5aa1c:g:cAsAAOSwPv9bWdLc
there, he'll look fashionable and wont get anyone else sick
Russians are as greedy as we are!
Diseases can only kill you. Prison will make you wish you were dead.
If I were that afraid, I definitely wouldn't be working in that field.
Lockdowns are terrible, there's no question about it. And it hurts the most vulnerable the worst. But the problem that some seem to ignore is this: If you open your economic doors before the reinfection rate is under control, the virus can shut them for you. Because people will hunker down and withdraw from economic activity if things get too scary. If you don't believe that can happen, look back at Italy, or NYC. Yes, therapeutics have improved, but big localized spikes are still potentially disastrous. What economists have said for six months is still correct: The best way to help the economy is to fight the virus effectively. Following the recommended protocols is an important way to do that, I don't see how this is even questionable.
What is still baffling to me is that in my area, those most vocal for removing all restrictions from businesses and schools have a huge overlap with the most vocal against face covering rules.
Yes we can absolutely afford it. Borrowing is cheap right now and the US credit rating is good. If the government doesn't want you to go to work, or you can't work because there is no child care because of a public health emergency, it makes basic sense that the government should pay you something to help you get by. Many in Congress who are more worried about the deficit than pandemic relief and stimulating the economy are the same members who thought the deficit didn't matter when they voted for the 2017 tax cuts.
What is still baffling to me is that in my area, those most vocal for removing all restrictions from businesses and schools have a huge overlap with the most vocal against face covering rules.
Yes we can absolutely afford it. Borrowing is cheap right now and the US credit rating is good. If the government doesn't want you to go to work, or you can't work because there is no child care because of a public health emergency, it makes basic sense that the government should pay you something to help you get by. Many in Congress who are more worried about the deficit than pandemic relief and stimulating the economy are the same members who thought the deficit didn't matter when they voted for the 2017 tax cuts.
I know you are trying to sound poignant, but there are plenty of things and situations that will make you wish you were dead. Maybe your experiences in the prison system have given you some aspect to that I am not aware of. Was it difficult getting a position in child care after being in prison?
I suspect most of us have wished we were dead at some point, or even tried to make it happen or speed up the process in some cases. Diseases can make you wish you were dead. Or was this analogy just another way of trying to make some logical monkey's paw knot for diseases not being as diseases are except that they are? Kind of like you flinging your poo in the thread the other day saying someone with CHF who gets covid doesn't really die from covid. As someone with CHF who had covid in February, I can tell you, if it had got me, it would have been the covid, by the way.
I don't want to pile on, because you're kind of making yourself a walking speed bag wherever you go. I assume you like it. Also experience has taught me that when you find someone who wants to make a thread about them, the best thing to do is give them silence and let them find another pond to fish in. But here you are, pole in hand, worm squirming its death throes. We're all here watching you land those carp. Good luck.
No, I don't. I've been advocating for opening up based upon looking at Sweden and the mortality rate. I don't think COVID is as serious as it was thought at the beginning, which means we can take bigger steps than initially thought. People can do what they think is best for them, like my mom who self-quarantined when possibly exposed, and my grandmother-in-law, who has restricted daily activities based upon her concerns.
But, I'm the weird guy who was taught from the word go to wash my hands, cover my cough, and stay home when I'm sick. Call me crazy.
As inconvenient and difficult for one's mental health as it is, being in quarantine in your home with TV, internet, food delivery, and family is nothing like being in prison.
211,000+ dead people and millions more debilitated say otherwise. The ship has sailed on treating the virus lockdown like Sweden here, if it ever was scalable to our population size in the first place.
One model estimated 2.2. Million deaths.
Deaths are past 1 million so far. China has almost certainly vastly under reported cases there. And unfortunately the nightmare in India is only just getting underway. If there's any hope, its in sub-saharan Africa where past experience and ingenuity with dealing with waves of communicable diseases have nations better prepared to handle it than the elsewhere.
What point is served in comparing the current situation to early hypothetical worst case scenarios instead of comparing us to the factual real time status of other industrialized nations? In that sense, we are performing miserably and in no way are we ready to reopen en masse.
Speaking as someone who has battled two life-threatening illnesses and is currently battling a third (and has been told on more than one occasion by attending physicians, and I quote, "You should be dead"), and who also spent two months in jail almost eleven years ago, incarceration is infinitely preferable to the diseases.
US Deaths. Should have been clearer.
I mean, I think Sweden is a good way to look at it too. I think recognizing what the actual threat, and the mortality rate of the illness, is more important than just the number of cases.
That's just my view. I think every state should be running it based upon their numbers rather than also needing federal guidance. My state is about to reopen and the cases have been steadily declining. I think the CDC information around what contributing factors to consider is also very important.
I don't think that full lockdown is needed, and I think every state needs to plan accordingly. I work in a state that's slowly easy it's restrictions and being careful. So, I'm watching both states with interest.
You misunderstood me. I was talking about ACTUAL prison. The kind that you risk when you don't play it smart around other people's children, whether there's a pandemic going on or not.
I should have been clearer.
You were clear enough, and I am once again speaking as someone who spent two months in lockup, as in the kind that began with a full-body cavity search after I was taken from the courtroom, the kind that had me wearing an orange jumpsuit and eating baloney sandwiches for three meals a day. As miserable as that was, it was nowhere near the hell that was my recovery from alcoholism, or battling a rare genetic blood clotting disorder that utterly ruined both of my legs and robbed me of the ability to walk for several months, or what I'm now facing with Berger's disease (also known as IgA nephropathy, for those who prefer the medical terminology).
Quarantine ain't shit compared to facing a life-threatening disease.
I hope that's not what he meant. I dont want to assume the worst which I'm seeing a lot of happening. I think general statements like americans hurt by lockdown are weak, some people are better than others, should at least be considered if you are going to have a thread that consists of lecturing people on right and wrong. But I dont just want to rub everyone the wrong way so I kind of give up
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