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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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For me, Maslany is a very good choice. I really enjoyed her different clones in 'Orphan Black' (to be honest, there was a point, where I just didn't stop watching it because of Maslany's play) and so, I think, that Maslany also could be able to cut a good figure on the big screen, besides Hemsworth and Cumberbatch and as a supporting character in a following Avenger movie.
 
Look, acting ability, basically she doesn't work at all in any sense outside of the fact that Jennifer Walters in the comics is also a cisgender caucasian brunette woman. T
Acting ability? Her performance in Orphan Black was met with almost universal acclaim and won several awards. So you're gonna have to expand on how she's lacking in acting ability
Just because she was on a shitty TV show doesn't mean anything, except that she was probably pretty cheap to get.
The show was also met with near universal acclaim and was quite popular as genre shows go.
So an explanation of why it was "shitty" would be helpful.
As an award winning actress her price has probably gone up quite a bit since Orphan Black (and if it hasn't she should fire her agent). So I doubt Disney was looking for someone "cheap" when casting. They where probably looking for someone with genre cache, name value, proven talent and industry buzz.
You could also argue that they probably should have gone mid twenties for She-Hulk's actress instead of mid-thirties (when Se-Hulk started she wasn't anywhere near a teenager but she wasn't a super experienced lawyer, and with the average law school graduate age being 26,
Should they? Aren't Bruce and Jen around the same age? So did you also object to the 45 year old Mark Ruffalo playing Bruce in 2012's The Avengers? How about the 39 year old Edward Norton in the Incredible Hulk? The 35 year old Eric Bana in the Hulk? Was Tony Stark really in his early forties when he became Iron Man as RDJ was when he first played Iron Man?
 
Look, acting ability, basically she doesn't work at all in any sense outside of the fact that Jennifer Walters in the comics is also a cisgender caucasian brunette woman. The only way they could have done worse but kept those elements would be to hire a retiree whose hair they'd dye. The actress that did get should be, I don't know, Jennifer's BFF or maybe a lawyer co-worker at best. Just because she was on a shitty TV show doesn't mean anything, except that she was probably pretty cheap to get.

Wow. If this was twitter you'd have so many people lashing out at you.
 
Acting ability? Her performance in Orphan Black was met with almost universal acclaim and won several awards. So you're gonna have to expand on how she's lacking in acting ability

Not everyone can play every role. I love Patrick Stewart, for example, but even in his prime you wouldn't hire him to play someone like Iron Man (even ignoring the different nationalities). That said, shitty actors win awards all the time, see Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix who are both academy award winners even though they both suck (for different reasons, admittedly). Awards just mean film snobs like them, and there is a certain style that is almost guaranteed to get awards from film snobs regardless of actual quality. So, this woman getting awards for a shitty TV show that critics like means absolutely nothing.

The show was also met with near universal acclaim and was quite popular as genre shows go.
So an explanation of why it was "shitty" would be helpful.
As an award winning actress her price has probably gone up quite a bit since Orphan Black (and if it hasn't she should fire her agent). So I doubt Disney was looking for someone "cheap" when casting. They where probably looking for someone with genre cache, name value, proven talent and industry buzz.

The general audience doesn't give a shit about Orphan Black, period. I'm a huge nerd who basically doesn't care about anything that isn't Sci Fi or fantasy and I've barely heard of the show, people who aren't interested almost exclusively in genre content like me probably haven't even heard of it. She probably has the name recognition of the C-list TV star at best among a general audience.

As for the show itself, its badly written crap that only lasted as well as it did because some people fell in love with its central gimmick, which was only that: a gimmick, and not a well done one. For example, Brent Spiner did a much better job playing 2 identical looking characters a few decades ago then this woman did playing multiple people. That's why Orphan Black is a fairly obscure show, and only lasted as long as it did because it was a Candian production that was shown in the US on a network that doesn't get that many views anyway. Glancing at some TV ratings online, if it had aired/been made by a more mainstream US channel, say SyFy or USA Network, it probably would have been cancelled quickly.

Should they? Aren't Bruce and Jen around the same age? So did you also object to the 45 year old Mark Ruffalo playing Bruce in 2012's The Avengers? How about the 39 year old Edward Norton in the Incredible Hulk? The 35 year old Eric Bana in the Hulk? Was Tony Stark really in his early forties when he became Iron Man as RDJ was when he first played Iron Man?

Jennifer was definitely younger then Bruce, in the comics having a 5 year age difference (according to a quick google), but Bruce Banner isn't supposed to be in his late fourties/early 50s like Ruffalo is. Ruffalo works for a movie franchise where Bruce has been active for years before The Avengers and Ruffalo only has to show up a handful of times before eventually moving on, but generally you want to start younger, and She-Hulk was definitely not past her mid twenties in her first appearance, and with comic time she's probably barely 30 if that in the comics.

But, again, with a better actor the age would be less of an issue. Ruffalo happens to be 1000x the actor that Norton was, and RDJ is an amazing actor (especially in the role of Tony Stark), so them being too old isn't really an issue (and honestly Stark's age can work older or younger just based on his origin).

Wow. If this was twitter you'd have so many people lashing out at you.

Its nothing to do with her as a person, C-list TV actors are going to be cheaper then movie stars or even A-list TV actors. To use different actors as examples, Patrick Stewart is going to cost more to hire for a show or film then Scott Backula. That doesn't mean that Backula is a horrible actor (although he isn't anywere near as good an actor), it has to do with experience, name recognition and popularity.
 
KIRK55555 is equally negative on the DC thread. Is there ANYTHING he likes???

A metric ton of stuff, but there aren't many threads about stuff I like, and I have nothing substantive enough to say to start threads about them. With Marvel in particular (because this is a MCU thread), talking about Marvel Comics circa 2004-2012ish, or MCU films in general would get a lot of positive stuff out of me related to Marvel. I loved the Wandavision trailer, and I really want to see the Falcon & Winter Soldier, Loki and What If? shows when they come out. I'm also really excited for all the (non-Spider-Man or Ant-Man) films we know are coming. I'm probably one of the few people who was excited for an Eternals movie right when they announced it, and Shang-Chi, Doctor Strange 2, and Thor 4 all seem like they'll be great, along with stuff we know is coming but is farther off (the Blade reboot, and the potential F4 and X-Men reboots).

I'm 90% positive about MCU films right now (just minus Spider-Man and Ant-Man), and the TV shows that are direct movie spinoffs are also stuff I'm very positive about and want to see. Outside of the very specific parts of the current MCU I don't like (Spider-Man, Ant-Man post his first film and the non-spinoff shows), I'm loving a lot of what the MCU is doing right now, its just that the actual comic book She-Hulk (pre-bruce banner with lady parts era) is my favorite Marvel hero, so my hatred of that show, and it being newsworthy right now, is coming out more then all the stuff I love about the MCU.

When the stench of the in name only She-Hulk show is out of the news cycle (probably closer to Wandavision's debut, or when the next big news thing happens), I'll be a lot more positive because more positive things will be the topic of discussion. Right now though, the shit is in the spotlight, and I don't believe in only spouting positive opinions and hiding negative feelings on a subject just because some people don't like hearing negative opinions.
 
Why don’t you at least try to leave out the hyperbole for a while.
You know it doesn’t fly with anyone here.
If you just said something to the effect of “I don’t like it and here is why” without making general sweeping/absolute/wildly exaggerated statements, people would also acknowledge it, agree to disagree and move on.
We’d get the point.

The way you come off, it looks like you need us as your ranting audience as an aggression or frustration outlet.
That’s not what we are here for.
 
Not everyone can play every role. I love Patrick Stewart, for example, but even in his prime you wouldn't hire him to play someone like Iron Man (even ignoring the different nationalities). That said, shitty actors win awards all the time, see Jared Leto and Joaquin Phoenix who are both academy award winners even though they both suck (for different reasons, admittedly). Awards just mean film snobs like them, and there is a certain style that is almost guaranteed to get awards from film snobs regardless of actual quality. So, this woman getting awards for a shitty TV show that critics like means absolutely nothing.



The general audience doesn't give a shit about Orphan Black, period. I'm a huge nerd who basically doesn't care about anything that isn't Sci Fi or fantasy and I've barely heard of the show, people who aren't interested almost exclusively in genre content like me probably haven't even heard of it. She probably has the name recognition of the C-list TV star at best among a general audience.

As for the show itself, its badly written crap that only lasted as well as it did because some people fell in love with its central gimmick, which was only that: a gimmick, and not a well done one. For example, Brent Spiner did a much better job playing 2 identical looking characters a few decades ago then this woman did playing multiple people. That's why Orphan Black is a fairly obscure show, and only lasted as long as it did because it was a Candian production that was shown in the US on a network that doesn't get that many views anyway. Glancing at some TV ratings online, if it had aired/been made by a more mainstream US channel, say SyFy or USA Network, it probably would have been cancelled quickly.



Jennifer was definitely younger then Bruce, in the comics having a 5 year age difference (according to a quick google), but Bruce Banner isn't supposed to be in his late fourties/early 50s like Ruffalo is. Ruffalo works for a movie franchise where Bruce has been active for years before The Avengers and Ruffalo only has to show up a handful of times before eventually moving on, but generally you want to start younger, and She-Hulk was definitely not past her mid twenties in her first appearance, and with comic time she's probably barely 30 if that in the comics.

But, again, with a better actor the age would be less of an issue. Ruffalo happens to be 1000x the actor that Norton was, and RDJ is an amazing actor (especially in the role of Tony Stark), so them being too old isn't really an issue (and honestly Stark's age can work older or younger just based on his origin).



Its nothing to do with her as a person, C-list TV actors are going to be cheaper then movie stars or even A-list TV actors. To use different actors as examples, Patrick Stewart is going to cost more to hire for a show or film then Scott Backula. That doesn't mean that Backula is a horrible actor (although he isn't anywere near as good an actor), it has to do with experience, name recognition and popularity.
Well, that was certainly a post with a lot of words in it.
 
New actress Iman Vellani has been cast as Ms. Marvel. That's a hell of a role for a first time actress.
You really can't cast a role like that and not go for a newcomer. For one thing: name one female mid-to-late teen Muslim-American actor of note. Yeah, me neither...
Additionally; being a newcomer is rather baked into the character so it'd be weird for them to go with a name.

On the more pragmatic side: names are expensive. If you discover someone you get to pay them less and they're just happy to be there...at least until the re-up.
 
Most sources are reporting the spelling as Imon.
EW has it with an a too. Could it be a name with multiple spellings in English?
You really can't cast a role like that and not go for a newcomer. For one thing: name one female mid-to-late teen Muslim-American actor of note. Yeah, me neither...
Additionally; being a newcomer is rather baked into the character so it'd be weird for them to go with a name.
That's a good point. I was expecting big name actors for all of the lead roles of these shows, but I guess aren't really any big name actors that fit Kamala Khan.
 
Okay, the overall consensus now is "Iman," and a couple of the sites that said "Imon" before have been corrected. And really, the "Iman" spelling makes more sense.
 
Orphan Black was a great show, and Tatiana Maslany was amazing in it, and Pickle Rick is one of the best Rick & Morty episodes.

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